WEBVTT 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:41.000 Maurice Levy: This is Maurice Levy speaking to Mrs. Lucretia Marracino for the Oral History of Music in Pittsburgh project. It's November the 12th, 1991. Obviously you got your first contact with music from your father. 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:44.000 Marracino: Yes. When I studied with my father. 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:52.000 It is called. 00:00:52.000 --> 00:01:33.000 Levy: Yeah. I went through the files and. Welcome. Thank you. Uh, maybe we'll start first with your recollections of your father, and then we'll go up, and then we'll go into your your experience. Okay? Marracino: Okay. Levy: Uh, your father, of course, was a very well known musician, very well known person in Pittsburgh's music scene. Uh, what do you recall your first recollections of? When you first realized that here was your father, was it was it really a person of some substance in the musical scene? He wasn't just your daddy or your teacher. Were you a teenager? Probably. 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:45.000 Marracino: No, I was younger than that because my father, when I was ten years old, my father played with the Minneapolis Symphony here at Carnegie Hall. And I went to the concert, and that was a big event for me. 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:48.000 Levy: You were, what, about 8 or 10 years old? 00:01:48.000 --> 00:02:06.000 Marracino: Ten. Levy: Ten? Marracino: Yeah. And he played I don't remember what concerto, but he played a concerto. And he was also traveling. He had played with them in Minneapolis, and he played with the Saint Louis Symphony and. He well, that these are the things I can remember. He did things before that that I can tell you about. 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.000 Levy: Yeah. In your experience, yes. Of course. 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:14.000 Marracino: In my experience. So I realized then, and my mother was also a performer. You see, they both were public performers. 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:15.000 Levy: She played piano, too. 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:35.000 Marracino: She sang. She was a soprano. Yeah. Good one. And, uh, so I heard practicing all the time at home. My mother always practiced in the morning, and then my father often practiced at night. And I would wake up sometimes in the night and hear playing or singing going on. So it was. I was surrounded by it. 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:39.000 Levy: He. She sang opera. She sang? Marracino: No. Levy: Just classical. 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:47.000 Marracino: She sang in churches. She was the soprano soloist at the Bellefield Presbyterian Church at the corner of Bellefield and Fifth. 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:50.000 Levy: Do you live in Pittsburgh? Marracino: Yeah. Levy: You lived in the city. You live in Oakland? 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.000 Marracino: We lived on Millvale Avenue right across from the West Penn Hospital. 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:54.000 Levy: Oh, yeah. 00:02:54.000 --> 00:03:18.000 Marracino: And she also sang recitals, lots of recitals at the Institute and many other places. They gave a good many concerts together in areas around Pittsburgh and in Pittsburgh. So. And when I got old enough to play for my mother, I accompanied her in a lot of performances because my father was probably teaching and I was available. 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:27.000 Levy: Um, so she, she primarily, uh, sang in on a local level as opposed to. Did she travel at all? 00:03:27.000 --> 00:04:08.000 Marracino: Well, they went to different places around Pittsburgh often. Um East Liverpool, Newell, West Virginia. Um, I know that in the First World War they went to Newport News and sang for the and performed for the troops. Mhm. I remember that because they brought me a present when I, when I got home. I must have been very young then. And. She gave things. She would give a whole lieder recital. After hearing Lotte Lehmann give a lead a recital, she prepared a whole recital, which was wonderful. And then she prepared a whole recital of French songs. These were given at the Institute. And she was a teacher, too. 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:09.000 Levy: She probably. 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:10.000 Marracino: Yeah. I studied voice from her. 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.000 Levy: What kind of training did she have? 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:56.000 Marracino: She. She never had any college training. She studied with a man by the name of Frank Milton Hunter. And she was. Mother was brought up in Ohio on a farm, and Mr. Hunter went to Warren every week or every two weeks and gave lessons in Warren, Ohio. So my mother drove the buggy with the horse to Warren for her piano lesson and her voice lesson. She studied piano there with the Olive Howard, and Mr. Hunter encouraged her to come to Pittsburgh because he thought she had great possibilities. And he said, if you come to Pittsburgh, I'll get you some jobs with a funeral director to sing a lot of funerals. And I think she told me that she sang Andrew Carnegie's funeral and got $10, but I'm not absolutely sure of that. I think that's right. 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:57.000 Levy: Sounds sounds right. 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:00.000 Marracino: Yeah. That's about what he would have given. 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:06.000 Levy: He may have built libraries, but well, he didn't sign that check anyway. 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:17.000 Marracino: So then she assisted Mr. Hunter in his studio and did some teaching and lived with a cousin in Coraopolis to get started. And then she moved into Pittsburgh, and that's when she met my father. 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:19.000 Levy: She? What was her maiden name? 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:38.000 Marracino: What did she. Romaine Smith, Romaine Smith. And they announced their engagement by giving a concert at the Carnegie Lecture Hall. And she sang. And he accompanied with no music. He memorized all the accompaniments and he played the piano. And then in the next day's paper it said that they were engaged to be married. Kind of romantic. 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:56.000 Levy: It is romantic in public. And they played at their trough with music. Yeah, right. Marracino: Yeah. Levy: So now he he then, uh, of course, then she, uh. After she was married. She was she still active in the musical scene? 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:57.000 Marracino: Oh yes. 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:58.000 Levy: Oh, yes. Even with the family? 00:05:58.000 --> 00:05:59.000 Marracino: Very much so. 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:00.000 Levy: You have a sister? 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:12.000 Marracino: I have a sister. Um. Had something in mind I was going to say. Well, I'm probably getting ahead of you. I was going to say something about the founding of the Institute. Yes. 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:16.000 Levy: No, I bring that. That was what, 1915? Yes. Right. 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:20.000 Marracino: It was incorporated on my birthday on the day I was born. 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:59.000 Levy: On the day you were born? Marracino: Yeah. It was founded by four men, uh, Frank Milton Hunter, uh, Charles N. Boyd, William H. Oetting, and my father and Mr. Hunter moved very soon, I think within a year, maybe to California. So he was never a part of it, really. And Mr. Boyd died. Doctor Boyd, I should say, because he became a doctor later. He died in 1936, very suddenly, leaving my father and Mr. Oetting. It was a nice experience to be at the Institute. I mean, it was always a congenial atmosphere there and we had a very nice recital hall. With an organ. 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:02.000 Levy: That was Bellefield Avenue. That's where it was. 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:39.000 Marracino: Yes. It's where the library school is now, I think, next to the Ruskin Apartments. And, uh. We had many good recitals there and many good experiences. Uh, unfortunately, the parking in Oakland and the television. Killed it because people who could study somewhere else weren't going to go into Oakland. And of course, when television first came in, people dropped out of lessons like crazy because they just wanted to look at television. So that that kind of finished it off. It was too bad. 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:45.000 Levy: Once it was an independent school, as opposed to the schools associated with the various colleges. 00:07:45.000 --> 00:08:20.000 Marracino: Yes, PMI was associated with Pitt from 19. In 1931 to about 1941 or 42. Um, you could take your music credits, 90 music credits a year at PMI and 10, 30 credits at Pitt. And you got a Bachelor of Music degree. And that's where I got my Bachelor of Music degree. But it it depended on the people at Pitt being friendly toward the Institute. And as time went on, the people who had been friendly toward it died or retired. And so it just kind of. 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:22.000 Levy: Some kind of a competitive situation set up then. 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:23.000 Marracino: Well, no. 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:25.000 Levy: They didn't feel. 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:33.000 Marracino: Pitt. I don't know why they never would declare the Institute campus, and therefore our students could not belong to a lot of things on campus. 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:34.000 Levy: Well they still shut you up. 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:36.000 Marracino: That was the problem. Yeah. They did. 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:45.000 Levy: They kept you segregated and. Marracino: Absolutely. Levy: As an independent school, even though they had some kind of working relationship. The students were not Pitt students. 00:08:45.000 --> 00:09:22.000 Marracino: No they weren't, although we graduated from Pitt another earlier than that, though, they had had an association with Pitt in the people who were getting a Bachelor of Arts degree at Pitt could take their music credits at the Institute and be credited. That was a less you know, I don't know how many credits you could take in music for a Bachelor of Arts, but. Then when the GI Bill came after the Second World War, we had a horde of students, a lot of people, quite a few of whom had not graduated from high school and couldn't enter a college, but they could come to the Institute and get a musical education. That's how I got my husband. 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:23.000 Levy: Oh. There's a GI Bill for you. 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:41.000 Marracino: Yeah, he was in one in my classes, and he said he was getting C's and he wanted A's, so he married me. But after that surge died out, we had kind of a descending success. 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:58.000 Levy: So the what was the range of courses? Let's say that I enroll or I intend to enroll at the PMI in the 30s or the 40s. What choices did I have. In terms of you taught every musical discipline? 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:30.000 Marracino: Well, we had classes in elementary theory, harmony, counterpoint. Perform an analysis, orchestration, composition and music history. Um, also, if you were a pianist, there was a piano ensemble course. Um, now, these were all given prior to the time we were associated with Pitt, and Doctor Boyd did many of those theoretical courses and the history course. He was a wonderful musicologist. 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:41.000 Levy: I talked to his eldest daughter, and she implied in some way that. There was no such thing as musicology, and he almost developed it himself. 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:42.000 Marracino: Well, yes, he really did. 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:43.000 Levy: Did you agree with that? 00:10:43.000 --> 00:11:15.000 Marracino: Yes, I would. And he was just a marvelous teacher. I have the greatest respect for him. Um, at that time, we didn't have as many instruments as we did when the GIs came in. We had violin, of course, always, and voice and, um. Probably trumpet. But when the GIs came, they wanted a lot of different instruments. So at that time, many other old French horn, flute, oboe. Clarinet, saxophone. 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:26.000 Levy: And then you had to go out and hire teachers. Marracino: Yes. Yes. Levy: And you and I know that you. I know somebody who taught in the public schools who taught there part time. Carl. Carl McVicker. 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:30.000 Marracino: Oh, yes. He taught there a long time. Yes, very long time X 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:31.000 Levy: I talked to him a few weeks ago. 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:32.000 Marracino: He's still living, isn't he? 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:33.000 Levy: Yes, he's 86. 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:34.000 Marracino: Is he really? 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:38.000 Levy: I know him because I taught with him. I taught at Westinghouse. 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:48.000 Marracino: Oh. You did? Levy: Yes, yes, as a matter of interest, I know the tapes. But he said when he goes to Florida, he still sits down with the band, and he still plays a little trumpet. 00:11:48.000 --> 00:12:01.000 Marracino: Good, good. Well, he was a very satisfactory teacher because he was always there on time. He always did what he was supposed to do, and people liked him and kept on with him. You know, he was outstanding. 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:05.000 Levy: Oh, very thorough. Marracino: Yeah. Levy: So those are the kind of people you hired. You probably hired school teachers who needed second jobs. 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:09.000 Marracino: Well, either that or musicians in Pittsburgh who were doing something else and who. 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:12.000 Levy: Somebody maybe from the Symphony. At that time, the Symphony wasn't paying very much. 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:13.000 Marracino: Yes. That's right. 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:23.000 Levy: We had some I talked to somebody recently to pay in the 30s was $50 a week. Marracino: Oh, brother. Levy: For an 18 week season. That's what they paid in 1936. 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:25.000 Marracino: That's terrible, isn't it? 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:32.000 Levy: Well, at $50 a week in 1936 was a fair amount of money, Marracino: I guess. Levy: But weren't working. Most people weren't working. 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:33.000 Marracino: That's true. 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:58.000 Levy: Of course, they only work 50, 18 weeks, so they only made $1,000. But that was more than more than some people made. Because that's before the advent of the union and it doesn't work. Two three jobs like school teachers. So those are the kind of people you had working for you then? Marracino: Yes. Levy: You thought you had piano? You have a fair sized piano faculty. 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:12.000 Marracino: Oh, yes. We had a big piano faculty because that was the most popular, of course. And a time at one time we had about four voice teachers, I think. I can't say how many piano teachers. It must have been 15 or 20, maybe. 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:16.000 Levy: We got a sizable investment in pianos. 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:43.000 Marracino: Oh, the number of pianos we had was incredible. When my father had to sell them. By the time the Institute was closing, Mr. Oetting was no longer able to do anything. And my father had the job of selling all those pianos, and he did it. We had two good grands on the stage, and we had grands in many of the studios and then a horde of uprights, of course. It was quite a. Quite a job. 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:54.000 Levy: Well, he's, of course, running the Institute in conjunction with these other men. And, you know, there were no women involved in the administration here. 00:13:54.000 --> 00:14:01.000 Marracino: No, no, no, we had a manager who was a man, a business manager, and three directors were men. Well, way back in 1913. 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:05.000 Levy: There weren't women, but women were were were decorative. 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:06.000 Marracino: We had teachers, women teachers. 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:13.000 Levy: Right. But they didn't give them any kind of responsibilities, though, did they? Well, that was typical of society. 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:19.000 Marracino: They took them. Oh, I just thought of another thing we had. We had elocution lessons. 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:27.000 Levy: Oh. People don't know what that word is, is so extinct. I remember that as a youngster. Yes. Can you define it for somebody listening to this tape? 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:37.000 Marracino: Well, elocution is proper speaking and reciting. And I took elocution lessons one year and I recited at a recital. 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.000 Levy: It was sort of a declamation kind of thing. Well, that and then acting drama. 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:56.000 Marracino: Yes, yes. And the teacher who taught that at first was Miss Steckel from Greensburg, and she put on plays, and I didn't see too many of them, because that was when I was quite young. And I guess they didn't take me, but I understand that they were very good. That she did an excellent job. 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:00.000 Levy: You probably had a number of talented kids in the youngsters in the school. 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:12.000 Marracino: Well, it was mostly adults, I think. Levy: Oh, really? Marracino: In fact, it was the faculty that you used to put on plays with, and some of them turned out to be excellent actors. Which was surprising, you know. 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:47.000 Levy: You know, elocution was the kind of thing that the young, I remember as a youngster in grade school and said, so-and-so will give an example of elocution. And the boys used to groan because there'd be this little girl with curls. Yeah. My mother, you know, I remember everybody was Shirley Temple. Marracino: Oh, sure. Yeah. Right. Levy: So. So there were other elements besides music? Yes. So in were there any other anything else that you recall besides that? Many elocution borders on drama. I think that's reasonable. 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:51.000 Marracino: Yes, I don't think anything else except musically related subjects like. 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:55.000 Levy: And you had you had annual recitals, things, things like that. 00:15:55.000 --> 00:16:12.000 Marracino: Well, we had constant recitals, teachers had student recitals, and faculty members gave recitals. My father and I played many two piano recitals. Not only there, but other places and. Singer's recital. Everybody gave recitals. 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:16.000 Levy: Was it was it primarily for the people in the school or just people in the community? 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:42.000 Marracino: Oh, everywhere. Everybody. We used to send out announcements, but, you know, they were always free. They never charged a penny for any of them, and therefore we didn't get as much of a crowd. If you charge, people have more respect for it, I think. I should look up. I think I must have some old programs, and I didn't think of it before you came, but I'm sure that we had gotten up to 2 or 3000 recitals by the time it closed. 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:51.000 Levy: Well what you have. If you send it to the music department, we'll be glad to make a file, because we do. We do collect programs. 00:16:51.000 --> 00:17:04.000 Marracino: I'll have to go through, um, a box that I have upstairs, which I have out in order to go through it, but I haven't been doing anything with it. Uh, you saw the. Did you see the scrapbooks that I took in that were my father's? 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:05.000 Levy: I didn't get a chance to go through it. 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:25.000 Marracino: Well, he has in those, uh, two, I think two of them are mostly European programs that he heard when he lived in Europe. Many of them. He must have gone to a concert every night. But one of them has a lot of programs that he heard at Carnegie Hall here in Pittsburgh. And those are interesting. 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:44.000 Levy: We have I have, uh, the list of the not the, the, uh, the annual reports of Carnegie Music Hall, but we have some kind of feel for them for a wide variety of people who appeared, not just, of course, Carnegie Music Hall, but students for lectures and things of that nature. In addition to. 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:48.000 Marracino: And then all those organ recitals every Sunday they had an organ recital. 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:50.000 Levy: Area that, uh, Doctor. 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:52.000 Marracino: Marshall. Levy: And Marshall Bidwell. 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:55.000 Marracino: Yeah. Henry first, and then Bidwell. 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:57.000 Levy: Caspar Koch, I guess he was on the North Side. 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:05.000 Marracino: Yes. But then I think Paul Koch gave some at the Oakland Carnegie Hall. 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:10.000 Levy: That's died. That's all. 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:21.000 Marracino: I just thought of something I could lend you or. Well, I'd lend it to you. It's a catalogue from way back. From the Institute, the kind of thing they put out every year in the beginning. 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:24.000 Levy: That'll be fine. We could make a Xerox of it and file it. 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:51.000 Marracino: You want me? I think I know where it is. Shall I get it now? Levy: Well, we can get it later. Marracino: Okay. Um, I got it in a very strange way. We never saved all that stuff. You can't save all those things. Uh, a brother in law of mine must have said something at work. He was a supervisor in a mill about me. I don't know exactly what the started this, but a black man who worked in that mill came in with his catalog, and he said maybe you'd. Maybe she'd like to have this. 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:53.000 Levy: Right. That's very thoughtful. 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:56.000 Marracino: Yes. To think he had it. It was anciently old. I think he was from. Well, he. 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:02.000 Levy: Probably, uh, probably thought highly of it. It was one of his possessions. 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:12.000 Marracino: An interesting thing about the Institute. It was founded in a in a building at the corner of Tennyson and Fifth. As a house made into a music school. 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:14.000 Levy: This is where the Masonic Temple. 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:18.000 Marracino: Uh, well, it was the other side. It was where there's some Pitt science building. 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:19.000 Levy: Well, Platt Hall. 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:53.000 Marracino: Yeah, it was there right at the corner. And they wanted to expand. And at that time, the Ruskin Apartments were not there. So they bought a home, a house on Bellefield Avenue, and they moved the other one across lots with horses and a treadmill. And attach them in them together and put on the auditorium on the back. This was about 1923, and all the time this moving was going on, people kept teaching. So you if you went to your lesson, you didn't know where your school was going to be. 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:57.000 Levy: Moved from Belleville over to over to Ruskin, over to Tennyson Avenue. 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:07.000 Marracino: Over to Bellefield. Yeah. Um. So that was interesting. I guess I wasn't around then, but. Doors would jam and people couldn't get out of their studios, you know? This building was big. 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:19.000 Levy: The building consisted of the small studios that each teacher had a student in and the appropriate instrument, a pretty large size auditorium. 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:27.000 Marracino: Yes. It held. I'm guessing it held at least a hundred people. Maybe 125. 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:28.000 Levy: That's what a recital for. 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:39.000 Marracino: And it was. Yes. And there was a stage. And then the organ. Well, the organ could be lowered into the. Ground, so to speak. 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:59.000 Levy: The console was on an elevator. Marracino: Was on an elevator, Yeah. Levy: Uh, what other, uh. Your father was involved in a lot of other things. Besides the Pittsburgh Musical Institute. What do you recall from? Some of the things. 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:30.000 Marracino: Well. He played with many musicians, an ensemble not only the ones at the Institute but others. Um. I know he played with Joe Durdin at Tech, not at Tech, but they played together. Um, far back before my time, he played with Luigi von Kunits. Who was a very famous violinist. Afterward, the Luigi von Kunits had played the Brahms violin sonatas with Brahms. Levy: Really? Marracino: Yeah. So that was a marvelous thing. 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:31.000 Levy: There's a connection for you? 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:41.000 Marracino: Yes. And my father's teacher in Europe was a pupil of Liszt. So that's all wound up together. 00:21:41.000 --> 00:22:02.000 Levy: Oh, it is, it is. Yes. Those those connections become more tenuous as time goes by. There are people who look back and say that they were. Dr. Schnabel or whoever it is 20th century, but it's comparable to the musical line goes on. Marracino: That's true. Levy: Right into Pittsburgh, right? Marracino: And my teacher. Levy: Brahms. 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:20.000 Marracino: Yeah. My teacher in New York was a student in Europe at the same time as my father. And they were friends. They used to play for each other and criticize each other's playing. And he was a pupil of Godowsky. So I'm sort of a granddaughter of Godowsky grand pupil. 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:42.000 Levy: That's a well known name. Marracino: Yes, yes. Levy: So he he ran the Pittsburgh Musical Institute. He was one of the four and he played recitals and what other? You think of other things that he was involved in, or did the Institute take up most of his time? 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:51.000 Marracino: Well, it took a lot. Well, he became. Oh, I should mention this. He was a visiting professor at Westminster College for many years. I forget how many. 20. 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.000 Levy: So he drove up to New Wilmington. 00:22:53.000 --> 00:23:39.000 Marracino: He went by train usually. Mhm. And, uh, he enjoyed that. That was a different kind of teaching you know just college students and. Instead of all kinds of people. And he really enjoyed that. He gave recitals up there too. He was a pupil of my father, was a pupil of Harold Bauer, as well as this person who was Liszts pupil, whose name was Jose Vianna da Motta, who was a Portuguese. Well, my father had a lot of interests. He played billiards with Doctor Heinroth, who was the organist at the Carnegie Institute, and he liked to play tennis. He liked to play bridge? He's a great man for games and he liked to win. He's very competitive. 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:42.000 Levy: Played ice hockey when he was younger. 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:43.000 Marracino: Oh, yes. Yes. How did you get that? 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:45.000 Levy: Well, it's articles here. 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.000 Marracino: Does it tell there how he happened to quit ice hockey. 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.000 Levy: About, uh, the glasses? 00:23:51.000 --> 00:24:12.000 Marracino: Yes. Some reporters said to him, hey, kid, do you have to wear those glasses? My father said, yeah, and they didn't wear it for that ice hockey. They just wore basketball suits. They didn't have any protection at all. So after that, his I don't know why his parents hadn't thought of that sooner, but after that he decided maybe he better not play ice hockey. 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:15.000 Levy: Where he had no mask over his glasses, no. 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:21.000 Marracino: Nothing but just shoes and the basketball suit. It was terrible. It would be bad for the hands too. 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:26.000 Levy: Take an interest in athletics. I think it was competitive. 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.000 Marracino: Yeah. Yes he did. 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:32.000 Levy: No. There you go. 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:50.000 Marracino: He was unusual, I think, in that he loved to play and played in public a great deal, and he also loved to teach and was a good teacher. Many public players aren't interested in teaching and many teachers can't play in public, so it was a combination that. Somewhat unusual. 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:55.000 Levy: Many, many accomplished performers don't have the patience to sit with the students. 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:58.000 Marracino: No, and they don't know how to teach either. 00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:09.000 Levy: And there are many teachers who who can teach but wouldn't think of performing. That's right, I said before. Right. So that's a that's a I don't know if it's rare, but it's not common. 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:25.000 Marracino: It's not too common. Levy: It's not common at all. Though the story of. Horowitz. Oh, you know how he ruined. By The Guardian. Janice Wright. Isn't that the famous story? 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:27.000 Marracino: I guess it is. I don't really I guess I've heard it's a. 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:35.000 Levy: Classic example of the. Person who was so involved with himself. And you can't be involved with himself when you teach. 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:46.000 Marracino: No, not at all. Well, Horowitz, I would say. Would it be a bad bet as a teacher? I mean, you can almost imagine that without finding it out. He was. 00:25:46.000 --> 00:26:00.000 Levy: Very self-centered. I mean, that's. Marracino: Completely, completely. evy: That's not a that's not a secret. Anybody who ever saw him in a recital. In a concert. Well, he always named his terms 4:00 Sunday afternoon. And when I come there, you don't hear me. 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:06.000 Marracino: You wear a business suit and a bow tie. That's right. That's true. 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:26.000 Levy: Your father was able to combine the two. You think of anything else we could, uh, point out about the father, I. What Westminster did he teach? Just theory, or did he actually give lessons there? 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:27.000 Marracino: He taught only piano. Piano lessons. 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:32.000 Levy: He just taught piano. He wasn't involved with the academic side of it. 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.000 Marracino: Not at all. Levy: 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:41.000 Marracino: He usually went on in the morning of one day and came back the evening of the next. 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:43.000 Levy: Oh, I see. He spent two days here. 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:46.000 Marracino: Roughly, yeah. 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:51.000 Levy: I guess Doctor Boyd was the one in Baltimore with a theory. 00:26:51.000 --> 00:27:00.000 Marracino: Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. My father taught piano pedagogy at the Institute. But no other classes. 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:08.000 Levy: When you. Well, of course you were. You were exposed to that since he was your teacher in terms of how to teach somebody to teach. 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:34.000 Marracino: Yeah. We had good uh, we had other people who taught piano pedagogy. Mr. Boyd taught one year of it, and Mrs. Faust. At the time taught a year. She was good with little children. My father, well, my father taught some little children. But that wasn't his specialty, of course. So I had quite a few courses in pedagogy there besides observing. 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:42.000 Levy: Well, you go through what the process of how to start them and how to show them, how to show them how to practice. 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:54.000 Marracino: Yes. That's really what teaching is, is showing people how to practice. That's what I'm doing all the time. Um, and you have to learn the material. You have to. 00:27:54.000 --> 00:28:05.000 Levy: You teach music along with the with the piano. I mean, when you sit down with a piece of music and you point out to them the various musical or theoretical considerations, 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.000 Marracino: That's what I try to. Yes. 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:11.000 Levy: For the youngster when they're finished. Not only started playing the piano, they know the musical terms. 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:44.000 Marracino: They're supposed to, but in a half hour lesson, which is mostly what I have to do, you can't get too much theory into it. You don't have time. And I figure that the parents send the children to you, uh, to learn how to play. So I teach them as much theory as I can wedge in, but I. I also want to teach them how to play and how to sight read. Um, of course I have adult students and that's a different story. I had about ten adult students and they're very interesting to work with. You don't have to persuade them to practice. 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:54.000 Levy: Well, they are voluntary at that level, at that level, and they probably have the curiosity to know why a particular. 00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:55.000 Marracino: That's right. 00:28:55.000 --> 00:29:11.000 Levy: Thing occurs. Why? Why did Mozart do it this way? And what makes it Mendelssohn? Is that right? Marracino: Yes. Levy: Our youngsters are. Unless they're really precocious. It's just notes. 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:19.000 Marracino: They couldn't care less. And they never. Unless you prod them. They don't know even who wrote the piece. It's a piece of music. You play it and that's it. You don't bother. 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:21.000 Levy: What's the youngest? You take it. 00:29:21.000 --> 00:30:21.000 Marracino: Well, I don't really like to start them before the age of seven, and I don't do too much of that because I don't think that's my forte, I. I think there are other people who are better equipped to do that. I like from about. Oh, let's say nine through high school. I enjoy well, I enjoy the little ones too when I have them, and I've had some really good ones. But I don't. When people call me up and say they want their child to start at the age of five, I don't think that's my thing.