WEBVTT 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:06.000 Speaker1: What's the first question you want? 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:08.000 Speaker2: The first question is your name. 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:16.000 Speaker1: Oh. Mrs. Harry Lachman, Mary Lachman, whichever way you want to put it. I like Mrs. Harry better. Okay. 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:18.000 Speaker2: And your age? 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:20.000 Speaker1: 86. 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:21.000 Speaker2: And your birthday. 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:32.000 Speaker1: Is in September. What year? 1889. Is that it? Yeah. Are you trying to catch me? 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:34.000 Speaker2: September. What? 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:39.000 Speaker1: I don't never give my age, you know. I never give my birthday. I don't want people to know it. 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:40.000 Speaker2: Okay. 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:47.000 Speaker1: September. It's registered. It's registered down in the here in the courthouse. 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.000 Speaker2: And your place of birth? 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:50.000 Speaker1: Pittsburgh. 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:52.000 Speaker2: What part of Pittsburgh? 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:54.000 Speaker1: Downtown. 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:58.000 Speaker2: Could it be a bit more specific about downtown? You mean? Honey, let. 00:00:58.000 --> 00:02:07.000 Speaker1: Me tell you this. This. This is out of the thing. But I want to tell you this. Mother and father were married in Sheffield, England. They weren't. They're not English. They're from Russia. Mother had two children over there. One died and the older one. And she became pregnant with me. My father decided to come to America, and he came over first. And before he came over, they wanted to come before the bad weather. So she got on the boat and they prepared for me. It was good luck to have a baby born on the boat. This may take too much for this, dear. No, no, it's fine. They expect the baby. You want to know. Whereas where I lived, where I lived at. So. So the baby was. That was good luck. And they prepared. And the mother spoke English, and she did everything for all these here. Other people coming over, so translated for them. So they were prepared, prepared, prepared. And I wouldn't come at all. And it took you know, it took a month almost to come over in those days and those ships. So whatever whatever flag that that boat carried, that's what that's what country I belong to. 00:02:07.000 --> 00:03:11.000 Speaker1: And as long as that was in existence, I could get free rides on it. But I decided to wait till I got to Pittsburgh. My mother was here a short time and my father met her. And I was born here. See here. So then we lived downtown on Tunnel Street, if you know where that's at. We used to play at the courthouse down there, Tunnel Street, and our neighbors next door was the Harris's. Harris's was a he was a first man that had the first Nickelodeon. His father used to go around with a Punch and Judy show, which was very popular in those days, a punch and Judy and traveled to different places for entertainment. So one son, Frank, was a politician. Denny was an actor. They had a they had a company here. It was every week they'd play a different I forget what you call it. And then the other John was had the first Nickelodeon in America, and that was very, very prominent family. Yes. That they their. 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:12.000 Speaker2: First Nickelodeon. 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:40.000 Speaker1: America. Yes. First Nickelodeon in America. Here it was in Pittsburgh. Yes. The. And that's where we lived. And what else do you want to know? Ah, we lived in. Then we got going out and out and out and out. This was the country already, right? Oh, we moved out to Oakland. Everybody beat us. Goodbye. Yeah, we were very poor people. Very poor people. My father was a Orthodox Jew. We were raised very well, but very poor. 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.000 Speaker2: When did you move from downtown? 00:03:43.000 --> 00:04:09.000 Speaker1: I wouldn't know. No, no. It was a job as a born then. That time. Just born in. No, I don't know. I'll tell you where I went to school. The Hancock School up on Webster Avenue. In those days, there were two schools popular. The grant school was downtown that way, and the Hancock School was on Webster Avenue towards town. It's a very prominent people were there, went to school in those days there at all. 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:11.000 Speaker2: This was grade school. 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:12.000 Speaker1: Grade school? Yes. 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:14.000 Speaker2: And where did you go to high school? 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:54.000 Speaker1: Fifth Avenue. Just for a short, short time. It was too poor to go to high school. That was if you made eighth grade. In those days, you were like going to college. People only worked a certain time. Every kid went out to work. Every kid was growing up, went out to work at all in those days at all. So so that was the then I went to Fifth Avenue. There was only two there was only two high schools in town. There was the commercial up on the hill and the business one on on Fifth Avenue. It was for only one there was at the time. Right. So I had didn't have a lot of schooling, but I did very good for myself, though. Every way. 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:55.000 Speaker2: Okay. We'll get into. 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:59.000 Speaker1: So. So what do you want about the old timers then? 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:10.000 Speaker2: Well, we'll just go through a few, uh, informative questions. First background. Do you know the maiden name of your mother? The Block. Block. Block, Block. 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:13.000 Speaker1: Yes. A. Either way. Yes. 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:14.000 Speaker2: And she was Russian. 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:31.000 Speaker1: Yes. But she was married young. And she went over to England, to Sheffield, England there. And that's where she met my father. Her parents had died and she had a rich relative over there. She went over there and they were married over there. Then they came here to Pittsburgh. 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.000 Speaker2: Do you know if they changed their name? 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:40.000 Speaker1: No. No. Same way. Brody was their name. Brody? Yes. 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:43.000 Speaker2: Okay. Whose name? Brody. 00:05:43.000 --> 00:06:47.000 Speaker1: My maiden name. My father's name. Maiden name? Yes. Mother's name was blocked. But Mother. But we never knew any of her relatives much at all. We had relatives here. She had two sisters here. I don't know if you know Dr. Frankenstein, a surgeon. He's a nephew. Cousin. But but the old timers, when they came over, then mother taught us, always had these puzzle boxes in the kitchen, you know, where you put your money in. After a good dinner on Friday night, you put money in there. That was for Jerusalem. In those days, we had about three on the wall. And after every year, after every meal, we were brought up that way at all. And mother always says, always give to charity. Never be ashamed of what you give, what you can afford, but give never refuse at all. We were brought up like that. You see it all. And we had there was the mother had eight children. She raised six, five girls and one boy we raised and. 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:49.000 Speaker2: The other two. 00:06:49.000 --> 00:07:37.000 Speaker1: The one died. One died in England and one died over here. Yes. He was born here. Yes. And all. But. But our life isn't the part of Pittsburgh at all. We didn't do anything at all. Only when I grew older was able to was able to help in other ways. When I was married, then I did a lot of wonderful work at all. Okay. Yes. There the in back of you on that table. Pick up that first thing there. Yeah, pick up that. All right. That was this last summer out of the at the at the club at all awning for 50 years service at the monitor Hospital. Yes. Yes, dear. Yes. 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:42.000 Speaker2: Well, then you remember. That's good. You can answer some questions a bit later on about that. Oh, yes. 00:07:42.000 --> 00:08:53.000 Speaker1: That's my life, dear. That's all I did at all. And then when the war broke out, we went to Red Cross, a whole group of us Jewish women. And we learned how to to instruct the others. That's before we were in the war. This was the this was the bundles for Britain. We were taught how to make the bandages and how to pack them. And everything had to be packed just so down at the Y we worked then. And then when the and then when the old timers came over from old country at that time they had a Hebrew lending society. If you didn't have any money for the Jewish people would lend you money. You'd buy a horse and a wagon or so and go out peddling or buy some merchandise and a a and wrap it up and sell it, go out the country and sell it. Then we had a house, a shelter where anybody going through town that didn't have a place to stay or needed some food or something. This house, the shelter, took care of them. Is that that was up on the hill somewhere? Yes. I don't. 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:54.000 Speaker2: Remember. What street? 00:08:54.000 --> 00:09:00.000 Speaker1: Yes, Locust Street. Up on Locust Street. Yes, indeed. It was a very good place. A house of shelter. Yes. 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:04.000 Speaker2: And do you remember about about what date that existed? 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:14.000 Speaker1: Oh, that's many, many years ago at all. When I was a kid, when I was still a child. It was there. Yes. And all the way back. Um. 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:24.000 Speaker2: Can you we'll just get a few of these questions out of the way. Okay. More into Pittsburgh, I think, uh, what you consider your ethnic origin and identity for. 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.000 Speaker1: In what way do you mean, dear? 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:30.000 Speaker2: I guess you can. You have Russian Jewish heritage? 00:09:30.000 --> 00:10:56.000 Speaker1: No, no, nothing like that. No, My husband was a I have to tell you about my husband, too. That he was in the the orphanage. I must tell you that he was the first boy in there. I'll tell you how they on the north side. North side. That's done away with already very prominent people. That Louis Kaplan, big attorney here, was raised in the same room with my husband and so forth. But he was very, very patriotic. We didn't believe in those Zionism. We didn't believe in that. His his was he was an American. And that's all he cared about at all. Flags everywhere. You went to the every holiday we had, we had bungalows and everything was always, always America first, you know, that's the way he used to tell people when they'd go out for positions and they'd say, What is your nationality? You say, people will put down Jewish. You say, Don't ever do that. Your religion is Jewish, but your nationality is American. You know, which is true, you know, And all the people always just took it that way. So we were as far as this Jewish businesses are, we belonged to Temple for 50 years, wrote off Sholom at all. Harry was president of the B'nai B'rith Organization. Everything Jewish, you know that way. But a limit to those things. You see, I was brought up very orthodox, but I never lived that way at all. So. So what else? So what else? 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:02.000 Speaker2: You do you speak or understand any languages other than English? Jewish. Yiddish. Yiddish. 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:03.000 Speaker1: Yiddish. Yiddish? 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.000 Speaker2: Yes. That's what your parents spoke at home? 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:59.000 Speaker1: No. They spoke more English than Yiddish. But we did speak a lot of Yiddish, too. Yes, a lot of Yiddish. And of course, they had some very funny expressions which the the the Londoners, English people speak different now. He would say, shut the door. Shut the window. Oh, you know, a fat lot. You know, you know that kind of expression. But we never followed it because we went to school and we went according to what? Yes. He taught us the ABCs. He taught us the the the tables, the multiplication tables, all those things at all. Yes. We were always very much interested in those kind of things. But as far as your background, that didn't mean a thing to me at all. No, I never knew my grandparents. I never knew anybody at all. No, we were just Americans. 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:03.000 Speaker2: Okay. And did you have an occupation outside of the home? 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:40.000 Speaker1: I was not. No, not now. No, never. I was never allowed to work. Oh, no. That was a little below my husband's dignity. You know, he was just a salesman in the electrical line. He worked for General Electric and Westinghouse and had very. Then we were in business for ourselves in Greensburg, too. He had an electric store up there at all. Then the depression came along, you know what that did and so forth. But no, I worked before I got married. I used to I was a buyer for ready ready to wear clothes for a wholesale house. Burtons are not in business now. Burton's on Penn Avenue. They were. 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:43.000 Speaker2: Can you give dates for that? 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:52.000 Speaker1: About when? Well, I started as a kid. I was about 17, 18 years old, and I worked for them for ten years. 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:55.000 Speaker2: So you were born in 1888? Yeah. 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:58.000 Speaker1: Whatever the date is there. 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.000 Speaker2: It's 12, so about 1905, I guess. 00:13:01.000 --> 00:14:03.000 Speaker1: I wouldn't know, dearie. I never would go back to that at all because I. I got myself a job going to school and I left my books and went went to work in a little store of some kind. And then I saw an ad in the paper where this area they want a model from the ready to wear. And I had a shape like this. And I went in and asked for that job and they laughed at me. Both men did. Then one of the men says, one of the bosses says, Oh, I know her family. She'll be all right. We'll break her in. She'll be all right. So the next day I get in, I got a whisk broom to brush all the clothes off to get acquainted, you know. I did very well. Had a very, very successful life. My single life popular. I got better, got a better shape and everything else and had a lot of boyfriends and all that and kept myself nice and respectable. 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:06.000 Speaker2: So you eventually moved into modeling. 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:29.000 Speaker1: Or, you know, I say yes. I finally got into it. Yes. My shape as I got older, naturally, you know, you develop more, you know. Sure. Yes. Good model and wonderful. But at my age today and I married this nice man and had a very good life, had no children, but a very good life with him at all. 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:46.000 Speaker2: Okay. Now, you were raised Orthodox, but you practiced conservative. Yes. In 1921. We mentioned this last time I met you when Eugene Debs was running for president. Yes. Yes. Do you remember who your family would have voted for then? 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:50.000 Speaker1: Not for him, No. We were no, we were against that. We were against that. 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.000 Speaker2: What didn't you like about Debs? 00:14:52.000 --> 00:15:04.000 Speaker1: Well, more in a communist type of person. We thought at the time or so. Of course I left that all the. Yes. No, we didn't. We? No, no. 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:09.000 Speaker2: And so now your membership in organizations for Jewish people you belong to. 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:24.000 Speaker1: What about the Temple, The Sisterhood and the Ladies Hospital aid? Montefiore Hospital. Now it is. And then the. Then the veterans I belong to. That's all. 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:25.000 Speaker2: The veterans? 00:15:25.000 --> 00:16:48.000 Speaker1: Yes. Spanish war veterans. And my husband was in. I see. Okay. He. He was a he was raised out of the orphanage. His people died. They they were lighting the stove and they had some gasoline there. And there were four children. And the thing they they mother and father were burnt to death. The children were saved. The Jewish people didn't know what to do with them at all. There was no orphanage. There was no nothing. So they put them into a Catholic place. Then the German Jew. See, there was two classes in those days, Germans and the Orthodox. You see it all. And the Germans were the ones that had more money than the other. And they said, that's a disgrace to have Jewish children into a Catholic organization. So they went around. There was a big store in town called Guskey's, very wealthy man at all, and they went out on North Side and bought a big house and they named it Guskey and they turned into an orphanage. And Harry was the first boy in there at all. And he was raised out there. And they took took all the four children in there. You see it all. And of course, lots of others came in after we had a Jewish orphanage, which was a marvelous thing, you know, for Pittsburgh and all. 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.000 Speaker2: Now, was your husband around your age. So it would have been about. 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:54.000 Speaker1: No, he's much he was ten years older. 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:57.000 Speaker2: It would have been about 1878, I guess. 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:10.000 Speaker1: So I just got his birth certificate there somewhere. So then they when he got older and got out, they gave him a job, got a job of some kind. And. 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:13.000 Speaker2: So he had his schooling in there. 00:17:13.000 --> 00:18:06.000 Speaker1: He had. So he, he had to go to the they had no places for him. So they had somebody downtown near Horne's that had a big house there. And she took him in as a rumor. And in those days, there were no gas. That was all. There was no electricity. You had to you had to read or had to live by lamplight. So anyhow, he was an ardent reader. He made made ardent reading. He read all night and they just put gas in that place. And she went to the women who had charge and says, I can't afford to have a boy sitting up all night using using the using the gas is too expensive. So this woman says, well, if he's such a reader, I don't want to spoil it for him. So they bought him a they bought him a lamp and they bought him some oil to go in the lamp. And that's what he would use at all. 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:08.000 Speaker2: This was a woman from the orphanage who did that. 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:25.000 Speaker1: No, the woman was was had was made a living where they had a house down there and rented out for rumors. They did that in the old days at all and took him in as a rumor they paid for it. No doubt the the women from the orphanage has paid for it. 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:27.000 Speaker2: And he had a job then also. 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:41.000 Speaker1: Well, that he gave up. And then he joined the Army Spanish-American War in 19 1898. He was in for three years and that made a man out of him. He said, if he's a man that he is, he made a man out of him. 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:43.000 Speaker2: And you met him after that? 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:52.000 Speaker1: Oh, yes. Way after that? Oh, sure way after I was I was a kid when that war was. Was that. 00:18:52.000 --> 00:19:00.000 Speaker2: So? He was in the war. Then he came back and he went to work then. 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:02.000 Speaker1: Oh yes. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:06.000 Speaker2: He was for him. How Well, what did he do it? 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:12.000 Speaker1: He was a salesman. He got into the electric line. Yes. Yes. Got into the electric line. 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:17.000 Speaker2: Do you have any idea if your parents came into America through New York or. 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:19.000 Speaker1: Baltimore or New York? They came in. 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:20.000 Speaker2: They planned on. 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:26.000 Speaker1: Living. Yes. Yes. They had a sister. My mother had a sister here. And that's why they came here. You see. 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:31.000 Speaker2: In Pittsburgh. Speaker1: In Pittsburgh. Lansing, Yes. They had a grocery store here. Okay. 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:35.000 Speaker2: And why did they leave Russia? 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:51.000 Speaker1: Oh, because my father wanted to get away from the from the from the army. That's why they all left there. They all wanted a certain age. You had to get in the army and he didn't want to. And he got That's why he ran away from there, you see. 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:57.000 Speaker2: And they moved when they came to Pittsburgh. They first went to stay with your aunt. 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:01.000 Speaker1: Well, I guess so. My aunt I was wasn't born yet. I don't know. 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:06.000 Speaker2: Okay. I might just. And what was your father's occupation? Oh, he was just a. 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:19.000 Speaker1: Norton peddler, just like everybody else. It hardly made a living. His. His life was the synagogue. You know, those old time I didn't anything, you know or not, but. 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:21.000 Speaker2: What sort of things did he peddle? 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:23.000 Speaker1: Merchandise they would peddle? Yes. 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:26.000 Speaker2: Merchandise Like dry goods? Yes. 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:27.000 Speaker1: Yes. Anything at all. 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:35.000 Speaker2: Did your mother work outside of the home? No. No. Did you did you ever take boarders in your parents ever taken? No. No. 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:42.000 Speaker1: We never lived in too big. We we need every inch of space we had for the family. That way at all. 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:47.000 Speaker2: And all your sisters sort of followed in your steps. Only went up to about the eighth grade or so. 00:20:47.000 --> 00:21:31.000 Speaker1: And then. Oh, no, some went further. Yes. Oh, yes, they were. They went the younger ones. Yes, the younger ones all had better educations. Yes. But I never regretted it at all. I learned plenty when I was out in the world. You can learn an awful lot out in the world, you know at all. I was a very good scholar in school. Very, very good scholar. I think I was, wasn't. It was 12 years old when I made the eighth grade, so it was pretty good. Of course, they taught you different in those days and they do today. But. But that's got nothing to do with me, dearie. I want to know more about the old timers in Pittsburgh. I thought that's what you're interested. Well, our family means nothing. 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:37.000 Speaker2: We are nothing. We like to get a well rounded interview. No, no, no, no. 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:42.000 Speaker1: There's nothing there at all. Nothing to be ashamed of. Nothing like that at all. 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:49.000 Speaker2: Okay, well, what? When you first started working, did your income go to support your parents? 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:54.000 Speaker1: Sure. Every cent was into the family. Yes, Every cent. 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:57.000 Speaker2: And then you met your husband when? 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:04.000 Speaker1: Oh, I can't remember the years at all. We went around for a couple of years and I wouldn't marry him because I had such a good position. I didn't want to marry him at all. 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:05.000 Speaker2: You had a good position? 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:13.000 Speaker1: Yes, it made me yeah, I was buyer. I used to go to New York all around this year. I was in big, big, big money at all. 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:16.000 Speaker2: But we finally talked you into it. Did he? 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:21.000 Speaker1: Finally. I made a I. Yes. At all. So that's that's over the dam at all. 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:30.000 Speaker2: Okay. What was the nationality or ethnic background of most of the people in downtown when you were growing up there? 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:45.000 Speaker1: Well, me growing up there, we were kikes, we were Jews, we were Jesus Christ, You killed our Christ. You were a sheeny. You were everything in the world. You were the dirtiest thing there ever was. The Jews were all going to school and everything else. Come home crying to my mother. 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:47.000 Speaker2: But everybody in your neighborhood was Jewish then? 00:22:47.000 --> 00:23:06.000 Speaker1: No, no, no, no. Mother didn't like to live with her. We were all Jews at all. She liked it. She didn't. That Hill district didn't come until years later. Then when they started coming, they all the Romanian Jews got together and all the Hungarians got together. Now my mother avoided that. We lived on this side of the track. 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:10.000 Speaker2: And what what was the nationality of most of those people? Were they Italian? 00:23:10.000 --> 00:24:27.000 Speaker1: They were Irish. They were the who's there. The most of them were Irish, and they're the ones who always called you. They're the ones that always called you the they called you Sheeny and the Celtic Christ, all those kind of things. You see, we were we were slapped terribly. We were all slapped terribly in the old days here. Yes. And did you take even even my husband when he went into the army and in those days, the army. The army wasn't the army wasn't wasn't drafted. They they volunteered the volunteer army. You see it all. And most of the guys were these big Irish guys and all. And he was a tall, skinny guy at all. So they changed all their when they their regular clothes, when they got their uniforms, they all changed and put on their regular put the uniforms on. So they started calling them Ike. He was the only Jew in the place then at all. So they took all their clothes and put it in front of his tent. But I have a I have a fire sale now. Let them sell all this stuff at all because that's what they were known for the Jews in those days. They made their own fire sales. 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:37.000 Speaker2: Yeah. Mhm. So you found you had trouble because you were Jewish? 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:38.000 Speaker1: Oh, yes, we all did. 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:45.000 Speaker2: Did you ever have any trouble with people. Vandalizing your home or anything? 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:50.000 Speaker1: No, nothing like that at all. But the dirty Jews always were dirty Jews and all. 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:54.000 Speaker2: And did you did you see a change? Did I eventually stop at some point? 00:24:54.000 --> 00:25:21.000 Speaker1: And naturally, people got to know you better. Yeah, sure. They classed everybody. All the Jews. They were all crooked. They were all in the old days. They all set their places on fire. They got insurance. They did all. They had terrible reputations at all. Then there was two classes. There was a German and the Orthodox Jews and the the Germans all lived over in the North side is where they all lived. And we lived on this side. But the Hill District didn't come until years later. 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:26.000 Speaker2: I see. But it was mostly down in the Lower Hill district that was populated that. 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:34.000 Speaker1: Oh, everybody lived there. This was country out here right? No houses out here. The people didn't live out here. It was all country people had farms out here. 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:38.000 Speaker2: So when did you move from downtown to Oakland? 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:42.000 Speaker1: I wouldn't know at all. I wouldn't know the years at all. 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:47.000 Speaker2: Well, when you left home, when you got married, where did you move to? 00:25:47.000 --> 00:26:02.000 Speaker1: Do you remember? Oh, we lived at Oakland. Different places. Oh, down on fourth Street, the 2200. Then we went to then we come out to Welsford Street out here. I can't remember those things. Streets. 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:08.000 Speaker2: Okay. Now, what was the first organization of Jewish people you remember being organized? 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:10.000 Speaker1: Council of Jewish Women Council. 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:11.000 Speaker2: Do you have any idea about. 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:26.000 Speaker1: When I should know? When Council. Jewish. When I joined the Catholic Jewish Women? No, I couldn't tell you that at all. Yeah. Okay. They were a wonderful organization. 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:28.000 Speaker2: Do you remember who the most important member was? 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:58.000 Speaker1: I can't think of her name. They had the one woman. She was paid, though, for doing this. She used to meet all these here foreigners coming in on the boat wherever they came in on. And she took care of them. Found me a place to sleep and a place to eat and give them a start and all. And the Constitution paid for all that. She was known for that. She used to meet all these these ships that came in and took care of that. Oh, you could find that out from the Council of Jewish Women. I'll tell you that. They'll tell you that. Wonderful work. Wonderful work. The Council of Jewish Women. 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:00.000 Speaker2: So the organization was. 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:02.000 Speaker1: Yeah. 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:03.000 Speaker2: Mrs. Enoch Brown. 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:11.000 Speaker1: Rho, RH Very prominent family in Pittsburgh. Okay. She was a she was the first president. Yes. 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:14.000 Speaker2: And they organized themselves to help immigrants. 00:27:14.000 --> 00:28:03.000 Speaker1: Everybody. Yes, everybody. Then they, then they then they they did wonderful. Good for the Sunday schools in the small towns. Later at all, the Jamarion Schonfield came in. Yes. She took care of the Sunday schools in the in the outlying districts because the Orthodox the Orthodox shuls, Orthodox Orthodox schools didn't have Sunday schools. Only the boys went to see. So. So here the reformed Jews got together with the got a very wonderful woman and she organized them in the small towns. And they were they were just crazy about her and just loved it all the Sunday school, the modern way, you know, at all. And they accepted it. They accepted it. All right. 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.000 Speaker2: The Orthodox accepted it. 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:21.000 Speaker1: Yes. Accepted. Very well. Yes. Then she used to get these college boys to come out and teach. They used to pay them about 7 or $8 a day or something like the way you made the Jewish the Jewish Council up at Greensburg. Oh, this is different. This is still talking about Pittsburgh. 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:30.000 Speaker2: Do you know what the most important or important organization for Jewish people was? Now you say that's the first one. You remember being. 00:28:30.000 --> 00:29:07.000 Speaker1: Organized. Yes, but my mother worked for the for the Montefiore Hospital. Montefiore Hospital. It was called a Sick Relief Society. And the women organized that. The old Jewish women here in Pittsburgh organized it. And I remember she had a handkerchief and that's how she'd go to collect in the handkerchief. People would put their money in the handkerchief. So and Mrs. Barney Davis was the head one. She was the president of the whole thing. And then then she then they started to get a hospital money. Then that's how they start forming. Miss Barney Davis is the one who started the Montefiore Hospital at all. 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:09.000 Speaker2: So it came out of the sick. 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:12.000 Speaker1: Relief come the sick. Relief, Yes. At all. 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:19.000 Speaker2: And I'm sorry to harp back to date, but was that in the was that before the First World War or. 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:45.000 Speaker1: Oh, yes, Way, way back. Way back, Way back. You see, I worked for them for 50 years and this was way before that at all. I was a child and my mother was. I think my mother's dead about 40 years at all. And she used to go around with the handkerchief, with the sea collecting $0.10 a week. I think they paid for it at all. The Jews took care of all their poor. Very well. Very well here in Pittsburgh. 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.000 Speaker2: Do you think that was the most important organization? The sick relief? 00:29:48.000 --> 00:30:05.000 Speaker1: Oh, sure. No, They were all they were all important. The Hebrew Loan Society was a wonderful thing. The of the House of Shelter was a wonderful thing for people didn't come over, didn't know what to do, and they would take them up there and give them shelter and feed them and so forth. Oh, there was charity all the time. 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:16.000 Speaker2: That's good. And did you ever find you needed assistance from any of these organizations? No, no, no. 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:25.000 Speaker1: No. When I was sick, the sister would send me flowers, but no, other than nothing else. Assistance. Oh. 00:30:25.000 --> 00:31:25.000 Speaker2: I think.