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Speaker1: Kind of neighborhood it is that tells a good bit about it, I
think, don't you? Yeah. Do you go out at night yourself?
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Speaker2: I don't care to go out at night because I know what's out
there.
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Speaker1: So you don't go out, but you're not either.
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Speaker2: I'll tell you. Me and my wife knew I went to the Strand. And I
come. Everything deals with Schwartz's in my life.
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Speaker1: I'm wondering. Yeah. You feel uncomfortable with the black
people? Yeah. Do they feel uncomfortable with you? I got one in Important.
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Speaker2: And they're my best friends. Really? Yeah. In the post office,
Everything's. And I golf with her. I have no problems with them once I know
them. But anyway, coming out of this train, you know, it's one drug. One
stood against the wall and one stood right here. This is on Atwood Street.
You got it right near the paper. Stand right. And my wife went through she
had to go through sideway squeezing through. And this one stood there,
wouldn't move. Uh huh. And I looked at him and he wouldn't move. So I
thought, Well, why cause trouble? You know? So I went by, turned sideways
and went by, looked for a cop I couldn't find.
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Speaker1: They didn't actually disturb you, though?
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Speaker2: No, but they were looking for trouble. Weren't they? It was it
was scary.
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Speaker1: Well, there are a lot of people who say that the students cause
a lot of uproar on forums. Do you find that true?
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Speaker2: I don't go out there. I don't know. How about you? It's not so
much a pit studios around around here. From what I you know, when I go out
in there.
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Speaker1: Do you know? Yeah, there are.
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Speaker2: The state puts a lot of their.
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From their hospitals in that they put.
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Speaker2: So-called half players.
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Speaker1: You have people who are in halfway institutionalized. Yeah.
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Speaker2: Except they're not it's not in halfway houses. In fact, is when
I sold my mother's house, the woman that bought it put them in her house.
That's a halfway house. It really. You know what? I know what is there?
There's no control. They're let out and there's no control anymore.
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Speaker1: Or do they actually bother you ever?
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Speaker2: Not necessarily.
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Speaker1: Bothered? Or have you seen them bothering anybody? Yeah. What
kind of thing?
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Speaker2: They bomb. They bomb coins off of people as they go by. I'm
saying that, right? Like down on by the post offices three quarters in a
row full and they're all drunk. 24 hours. And they lay on those porches.
They sit around on the porches. Does that make it? A woman goes by and they
make comments? Yes.
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Speaker1: Is that actually dangerous or is it just annoying? It's not.
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Speaker2: Dangerous. They're very timid. There camera. But they don't. But
it's just I mean, not the the it doesn't really bother me, but it's I mean
the blacks from down from the hill and that's. That would probably.
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Speaker1: Not. I don't think.
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Speaker2: They give a Pitt students get rowdy in that. You go out and get
drunk and then you get rowdy with your friends. That maybe music or maybe
loud noise that.
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Speaker1: You really think think it is sort of dangerous there and informs
this time.
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Speaker2: Nowadays. Yeah, I even brought the incident up and I said just
going to that at night and the man didn't bother me. Yeah, I wouldn't care.
I don't care to go out there. Yeah. Scared? Yeah. Because I went by a man.
He turned around looking to. He went through the same thing, but he just
turned around and looked. What did I do? What happened? What happened
there? He didn't realize what was going on.
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Speaker1: Said This has nothing to do with being here. That's. Has it
anything to do with being Jewish?
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Speaker2: No, no.
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Speaker1: Just. No.
No. There's nothing to do with anyone turned into the thing.
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Speaker2: I don't know what they were looking for Trouble. They wanted to
make fun of a man. Don't let you through the sidewalk with them. What kind
of country is this? What's going on? You don't think that's such a good
idea?
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Speaker1: No, I don't. And you say in your family there quite a few people
who become professionals is what? Nephew. Nieces. That's my cousin.
Cousins. Yeah.
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Speaker2: I've got a doctor party Steagle neurologist. This is Beagle
side, my mother's side, my mother's brother's son, three sons. One's a
urologist and two a dentist.
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Speaker1: How about the Great Depression?
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How did that affect.
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Speaker2: To the Depression.
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Speaker1: I was fairly young at that point, relatively pristine. Our
Pastelero.
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Speaker2: 3033. I got out of high school. Yeah, that wasn't Yeah. 35 I
was.
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Speaker1: Out of the Texas.
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Speaker2: Family, 35 I was working for Charlie Klein. I made $10 a week.
The NRA said 13. It was paying me ten.
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Speaker1: Were you part of the NRA?
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Speaker2: The NRA in those days? Yeah. You would pay me ten. Supposed to
pay me 13. I didn't care. I was working.
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Speaker1: Do you have any contacts? I asked you that with the people in
your country visiting relatives.
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You said you didn't. Get their reward? No. Okay.
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Speaker1: How about Israel? How do you feel about Israel? Let me ask you
that.
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Speaker2: It's my country.
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Speaker1: Designer.
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Speaker2: No, no. I belong to the only organization I belong to. Although
I delivered, I used to deliver to the Zionist and they asked me to follow
them. I hate to put out a buck, to be truthful. I'm tough for the buck.
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Speaker1: No.
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Speaker2: I don't have that much. But I don't have to worry where the next
dollar is coming from. I'll make it. In other words, I'll send my son to
college. His mother saved money to take care of him. Up to a point. Up to a
point. The other one? You think he's going to get away with it free? I told
him at the end of the time, he owes me. It's expensive.
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Speaker1: But not expensive. No. Yeah. Um. You didn't belong to any
organizations. But you do sympathize with Israel.
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Speaker2: Like I said, the Zionists asked me to belong. I never. I never.
And sure, I say, sure. I watch everything.
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Speaker1: They're here. Huh? Would you rather live there or here?
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Speaker2: No, this is. This is my. I have a cousin that's over there right
now from practice. She was here about three weeks ago, came here to visit.
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Speaker1: Have you ever visited Israel?
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Speaker2: No. No, I always.
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Speaker1: You want to?
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Speaker2: Yeah, I wanted to with my wife before she died. I said, Well,
let's go. Come on, I'll take you. Let's go to Israel. And she says, I
haven't seen America yet. Oh, she always wanted to go to California.
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Speaker1: Never got there. You say you're traveling south now, though.
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Speaker2: Yeah, a little bit. I'm going to Florida next month.
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Speaker1: You think you might get to Israel?
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Speaker2: It's a funny thing. My wife isn't here. You know, I'm married to
this. She's good. She's good. She doesn't. She argues with him quite a bit.
They don't tax him because he is a stepson, I guess. Yeah. And she's trying
to watch what he does and tries to correct them. You know, maybe she's
right on it. Well, I keep on telling her all. Oh. Huh. Yeah. Yeah. I says,
I'll correct them. You just tell me and I'll correct them. You know that
they are not strong. In every place I go. You know, my wife loves to go
places. We were in the Catskill Mountains 20 times in New York. Catskill.
We always went to the Castro up to the I forget the name. We used to go to
Swan Lake, New York quite a bit. Yeah. She loved to play. She loved to eat.
She was a good eater. And every time I spend a buck now.
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Speaker3: What? Breathing?
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Speaker2: Yeah, I always will. I.
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Speaker1: Have you ever thought have you been to Israel yet? No. I need to
go. No. Why not?
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Speaker2: I want to stay. I like it here. I mean, I.
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Speaker1: Your father says I.
Speaker2: Have a lot to say still. Like, I. Like. I just love. I love this
country. I mean, I'm looking at it. I look at it money wise, even though
it's not my money. It's good. It's good this way. Right now, I can't afford
to go right now. Imagine if he ever had a few dollars. Truthfully, I don't
want to go. I don't want it because I want to go. I want to go to sleep. I
think I'll get it because everybody that comes back, what do they say? Oh,
what a wonderful place. So it disturbs me, you know, because I want to see
it through.
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Speaker1: A lot of people go.
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Speaker2: Though I would daughter. I probably lived there for a year or
so. I can't. I look at it money wise. I can't see Going there and coming
back next week for.
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Speaker1: A week would make it worth your while to go. Sure.
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Speaker2: I went. If I go, I want to see the place.
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Speaker1: What kind of group is this here to? That is we are. Do you know
that much about it? These. I've met a couple people who are
austrian-hungarian in background.
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Speaker2: And Mr. Delfino. Mr.. Mr.. Yeah, well, he's Hungarian.
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Speaker1: So is this basically a Hungarian group down here?
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Speaker2: No, it's. What other mixture? I don't really know. All I know is
Mr. Gelb was a good friend of my father. Me?
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Speaker1: Oh, they spoke with hearing together?
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Speaker2: Yeah, sure. My father did speak to him.
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Speaker1: Is that what they did speak, though, or.
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Speaker2: Did they know they speak? No. Yeah, that's probably true. That
is when my father. The first two years he lived here, my father sat on that
couch and looked out the window all day. And then. But he had a bad back
and his legs were growing back. And for two, two years, he stayed up here
in that room. And the guys from the shore used.
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To come and visit. To you. Oh, my God. Every day. Isn't that nice?
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Speaker2: Calm and. Every day. Pipe.
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One day. Like I said.
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Speaker2: Before he died, I was away for three days because I had to get
my wife out of the house to go away on on weekends because she was going
crazy. That was one thing.
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Speaker1: You we get up.
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Speaker2: And I happened to be away in Ligonier that time with another
couple and my father was in the bathroom. My sister was taking care of him.
Every time they came there to take care of me, they raise hell. I can't do
this. We can't do this. I said, My wife's doing it every day of the week.
They used to squawk. My father couldn't get off the toilet. He was walking
with a walker by now, and he got into the toilet, closed the door and
locked it. And we always told them, don't lock it properly because if
something happens, we don't want you to lock the door. But he locked it. My
sister, Mrs. Feldman. Was downstairs and you called it. My father went in
the back and we never came out for hours. He said. Yeah, but you woke me
up. I was. Three feet were dead already. They were dead. He couldn't stand
up. So he called me. He said he's in the back. He's been in there. He was
home, so I was still sleeping. I sleep until 1:00. And then. So I said,
See? He stays here a while. So a half hour went by. So I knock on the door
and you know, he was hard of hearing. Hard of hear. Yeah, that was it. So I
finally I couldn't get him. So I took the hinges off the door. I still
couldn't get the door off. So he called my one, my, my my nephew from
Puerto Mr. Smugglers, you know, one of them. And he ran down here and took
the door off. And there was my father. Why didn't you call Daddy? And he
said I couldn't.
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Oh, just. Took a month to monitor hospital. To Our lady. And you said.
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Speaker2: Goodbye to everybody.
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Speaker3: Yeah.
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Speaker2: My father just passed away. My father had a good death. My
father had a good death. He was a good man. Just expired. He was tired.
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Speaker1: 93. 93. Have a right to be. Yeah. What about the actual burial
practices? He said at one time they used to be a group to prepare. Now you
have your parents buried from a funeral parlor from Blanche.
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Speaker2: Withdrew him. He was a mr. Schmo. Takes care of the cemetery.
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Speaker3: Yes, I see. One of the.
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Speaker1: Uh, today. Is there any ritual practice involved, or is it just
a regular.
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Speaker2: And. Why don't they cleanse the body?
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Speaker1: That's what I'm asking you. If there's a I imagine.
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Speaker2: Well, at one time, something like that, each cemetery had a
house on the cemetery where they cleaned the people before they buried.
That isn't done anymore. It's done at the funeral home.
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Speaker1: Isn't there some sort of a thing to it? I don't know if this is
orthodox or not. Where? There's a time. Yeah. A quick time thing that's
involved.
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Speaker2: Within a day or two.
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Speaker1: We say, Well, sure, but not everybody knows this. Is this an
orthodox thing? Do you.
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Speaker2: Know? Sure. It's. It's. What is it? I don't know if it's 24
hours or 48 hours. It has to be 24 hours.
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Speaker3: Because.
Speaker2: My father was buried the next day. That's the way. That's the
way he wanted it, you know?
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Speaker1: That was his belief. Yeah. He was fighting through.
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Speaker2: And that's the way I want it, too. Unless there was a kid out of
town or something, they usually.
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They wait a day. So let me ask you this. How do you feel about women in
different aspects?
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Speaker1: I know you like women, but particularly how would you feel about
women's place in the synagogue setting? Now, you know, there are some
places where women are now being called to the Torah, that kind of thing.
How do you feel about that? Well, wouldn't it?
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Speaker2: I'm not a religious man. That was part of it.
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Speaker1: Wouldn't it wouldn't bother me at all.
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Speaker2: How about women's lib? Are you sure? Because I know there's a
God. Before I go to school. There's a little bit of fear in me that I was
very bitter against God. I even spoke out against God. When my wife died.
That's right. And I still had feelings, too. But I know he's up there.
After he's finished and he's on his feet. God can strike me dead. I
wouldn't care.
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Speaker1: What ethnic group do you feel is the closest to? You feel close
to.
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Him, then live near something that is particularly friendly with another.
What do you mean? That's really.
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Speaker1: No religious or nationality or that kind of thing.
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Speaker2: I pretty well stick to myself.
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Speaker1: What class do you identify with?
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You know, you're an upper class, a middle class, a lower class or what? I'm
a middle class myself and I think middle class.
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Speaker2: I'm not a poor class.
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Speaker1: I'm asking just how you know how you feel about it.
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Speaker2: My friends are. See, my wife always had a when we went away, we
always went away with a couple. And this girl that I go away with now, her
and her husband, he happens to be a mailman.
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Speaker1: Oh, yeah.
Speaker2: But she had a son. She had a daughter When my wife had a son at
the hospital. They were old times. They grew up together. My mother didn't
like her because she used to loaf with a girl who my mother didn't agree
with. Too good. Oh, boy. So they didn't they didn't bother with each other.
So my mother had my brother when she had her first daughter at the same
time. And they they were in each other's room in the room because they
became friends. That's how they kept in contact. Fact was it.
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Speaker1: The same couple that used to go with most of the time? Yeah, the
same couple. Right.
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In fact, we just came back. Yeah. In other words, when we.
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Speaker2: Go away, they pay 50%.
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Speaker1: When you drive. When you go someplace.
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Speaker2: Yeah, I mostly stick when I go to Florida.
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Speaker3: Yeah.
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Speaker1: You don't think about the hair. Have you ever. Were you ever
over there, that kind of you up in the upper tail when it used to be
Jewish?
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Speaker2: Well, my wife was.
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Speaker1: Oh, was she? Yeah, she.
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Speaker2: Was, like, raising the eldest. Yeah.
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Speaker1: You never told me how you met her.
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Speaker3: Yeah. Okay.
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Speaker2: I was. I got as far as Indianapolis. I worked there for nine
months when my wife. My mother begged me to come home. And I came home.
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Speaker1: I think I came home.
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Speaker2: When I came home, my nephew was getting married. Mrs. Smoked son
was getting married.
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Speaker3: And. I put this my.
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Speaker2: My, my my other sister's daughter work with my wife at the the
trucking place. Schreiber Trucking. Oh, they brought my my niece and my
future wife worked at Schreiber Trucking. Uh huh. And she invited invited
my future wife to come and see her uncle. He was coming in from
Indianapolis. That Alan, my nephew, was getting married? Yes. And that's
where I met. Well, my wife one year later, we were married. I'll tell you
her. Her side.
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Speaker1: Okay.
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Speaker2: When she was her mom. Yeah. Are you. I don't. I'm. You know,
your side always knew the other side.
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Speaker1: See, that's what I said. You get different points of view.
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Speaker2: Well, you know, Jeannie invited her. Oh, Mom was getting going
to be at a at a wedding. Come on. And she said she. She was going to go
somewhere else. She she had planned going to a party or somewhere, going
out of town visiting or something. He said So she said, okay, I'll go. I
might go. I might not go. So she said, I'll go with the bus if the buses
are on time. So she went to the bus stop. Buster's right there. She got on
the bus and she was there.
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Speaker1: It was preordained, but also kind of arranged almost.
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Speaker2: Yeah. Can I tell you about my wife? Yeah. What? You would. I
blame it on the doctor. Dr. Feingold.
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Speaker3: I write.
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Speaker2: Three years before she had a breast removed. Two years before
she died. Three years before that, all women heard of. You have a lump run
to a doctor, right? Right. And her gynecologist with Dr. Feingold. Since
David was born, the fact that she couldn't have any children, she went to
him and the tubes in this and that. And finally she had David see, he in
fact, as he was born six days, six years after David, he just tough time
having kids. And she went to Dr. Feingold with a lump. He was her doctor.
And he says, don't worry about it because all women have cysts. We went to
him every year. She went for her pap test, always went for her examination
on schedule and finally and every time she went, she brought the lump up to
him and he says, I told you, don't worry about it. And all I did was feel.
Now, nowadays they run for a mammogram or a snip for, you know, right away
it's removed. Yeah, but this last she finally went up to him one day she
says, What do you think? It would be okay if I went to another doctor? He
got mad as hell at it. Yeah, he got violent. He says, I know what I'm
doing.
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You know, So.
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Speaker2: This one day in bed. He said, Bernie, look, you said he turned
black and blue. So she ran up to him and he says, Oh, you've got to get
us.
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Go to a sergeant. So she went to.
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Speaker2: Sidney Colvin, Dr. Sidney Kaufman. And they looked at that. He
says, Oh, I've got to have a massive mastectomy. And I was at work and she
told me he almost got killed by a car because her whole mind was topsy
turvy. When I got home, I took her to the hospital, and that night they
removed it. And she lived for two years.
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I thought she had it made. Two years later was all I saw.
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Speaker2: And one day I happened to come home from work. In the morning. I
took off because she said she wasn't feeling well. He was sitting there
sitting on a chair in the kitchen and she was still well, but my mother was
gone. In September, we came back from Canada and she said, Bernie, she
said, I don't feel good. So whenever she was ready, I was ready too. So we
took her, my mother, to the home. It was a hard job getting her in, but.
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Speaker3: Usually.
Speaker2: With money. Yeah. $20,000. I put up 20 of my mother's money. Not
mine. When I say mine, I put up $20,000 and she still couldn't do it.
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Speaker3: Why not? Because they had to wait for someone to come.
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Speaker2: Well, they never hurt the girl at the social director. We called
back because my wife was down on her feet. You know, we just. Well, you
told us that we'd be able to get my mother in, and she says you can't get
in there right away. She says we have to wait for someone to die, you know?
So I happened to have a cousin that's. Well, to. Do you know him, too? His
name is Eugene Leibowitz. He owns South Hills Village. He owns Monroeville
Mall. He owned the old building of Franklin Street. If money hand don't
know what he owns. And my wife called him up. She said, Eugene, she says, I
can't get Mama into the home because we have to wait for someone to die.
And I can't. She says, I can't take care of her no more. She says, Lil, he
says, Lil. He says, I'll be at the home Sunday. And he says, I guarantee
you within a couple of days you'll have mom in the house. And that's just
the way it works. He put money in there, he made a donation, and my mother
was in there with him two days and I happened to come home from work that
day. And she couldn't the woman couldn't open up a can of orange juice
because it had a funny, funny. There was a zip can.
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Speaker1: Somebody hadn't see a woman.
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Speaker2: Open with a can opener like a can open. And my wife got mad and
she went over there and went like that and she broke it off. Oh, it was in
her bones. We didn't know it, though. She might have lived another six
months. Who knows? I don't know. So it was a right on. It was a right on
because she went down again. When she went down the lousy handle. Yeah, she
broke her arm in three months. We waited for it to heal. Wouldn't heal.
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Speaker1: She'd had it set up for.
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Speaker2: It was set. Yeah. It bushcraft after Bushcraft and the wooden
hill, they took it off and they put it in a.
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In a sling. She had it.
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Speaker2: And five days before she died, she was already getting
constipated. Couldn't go to her. I already took off, so I was playing sick
at the post office. I was absorbing all my time and I taken her into the
bathroom. And when she came out, she leaned on me and her one leg gave up.
And as she reached for this, when she reached for the door, her other arm
broke. Oh, she died. The two girls. Oh, boy. My wife was 55. March the
3rd.
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Oh, she died. Mr.. It seems fair when you have all these things like you
do.
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Speaker1: Your father's got as.
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Speaker3: Much. Oh yeah.
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Speaker2: Like I say, I don't cry for my mother. Yeah, there's nothing
cried for them because they had their life. They had a good life. Although
some of some of it was mighty tough, I guess. My wife didn't deserve it.
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Speaker3: Not when everybody.
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Speaker2: All the religious people, they tell me religion, all the
religious people were telling me she has a mr.. He has a mr.. The greatest
thing in the world when a son takes care of a mother and father. I said,
give her my blessing to my my wife. Don't give it to me.
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Speaker1: Well, this has been very interesting and very informative. I
wonder if there's anything anybody else you think of. I might want to talk
with Anybody you can think of.
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Speaker2: Whatever I told you here is true. My family, my three sisters,
my one sister lives in, like I say, she went through to her one husband
died of leukemia and the other one died of cancer of the colon. Yeah. She
had two good men. Two girls. The second one. The second one left her quite
a bit of money, and she went to Florida and bought a condominium.
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Speaker1: She's. She's the one you can go visit.
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Speaker3: Yeah.
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Speaker2: Well, I'm going on the tour, actually. Oh, you're taking the
tour.
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Speaker1: Huh? Do you think you yourself might want to go to Florida to.
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Speaker3: Live somewhere to live? I don't know if I want to.
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Speaker2: Go to heat, Although I love warm weather, you know? But I don't
know if I want heat all year. I don't know. But I'm going on a tour. And
then but before I start this tour, I'll be at my sister's for a couple of
days. What have that course there. You can't. You got to watch how you
brush your hair so the hair isn't in the in the sink. Oh, yeah. She's
tough.
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Speaker1: Oh. Oh, I see.
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Speaker3: She's tough.
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Speaker2: Like this. You can't sit in her house. You got to go to the
pool. No sitting around. No, you can't sit around. You got to be active
when you go down.
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Speaker3: Oh, boy. Yeah, it's tough, like.
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Speaker1: Anything else You think you'd like to tell me about?
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Speaker3: Anything. Anything.
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Speaker1: Everything.
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Anybody that's of. Are you? Anything you'd like to add? Nothing at all.
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Speaker1: Well, thank you ever so much.
