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Gurrera, Luigi, October 25, 1976, tape 2, side 1

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Speaker1:  I know you were saying you're 80 years old now and the things
today are different, but yet you feel a lot better. Yeah, I was talking
about a lot of the things we got to day at night and God. Then days talked
about the old days. The old days was all about that. We used to be all like
a slave. Like a slave. People sometimes I don't know what a slave is. They
didn't give us a colored people. They were slaves. The colored people
wasn't a slave. We used to be slave. A lot of people used to be slave.
What, you just talking about it sometime? People who say, Well, the old
days. I wish the old days to come back. And they said, Come back. What, are
you crazy? You know, I tell a lot of people, sometime I go out downtown
sometime and walk a little bit crazy. I said, the old days, What are you
doing? The old days, you was a millionaire millionaire. You. She was a
millionaire. And sometime, you know. So what is to be good if we going to
spend a lot of things that says, I'll take it today, any time and things we
got today. Bovino was adopted. He got. Yes, I got it. That's. 10% better
than what we used to have. What you should call good thing is pension. You
know, people, they get old now. They got. They got a bench in the
beginning. Go wherever they want to. You know what I mean? In ten days, you
know, I'm not painting them. I got I was pretty tough. A lot of people I
remember. Actually, I used to make a collection of them on their clubs.
Right. So today you don't have to make a compilation for nobody. That's why
sometimes, you know, then they say motivation because it was a lot of. The
kids have been getting small kids. You know, they cannot come out. Today
and a day at a club. We had a club this evening and probably we had a
thunderously a problem, you know, so much so they call them, you know,
that's associated all over the country.

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And we used to we used to look at it the sometimes people than.

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Speaker1:  Money. Or maybe they need a tool we use to help them out. But
today you don't have to. So today, Uncle Sammy. And he doesn't. Uncle Sam,
help everybody today to the bench. And you know, I got to be watching for
the pension and today with all these people. You see that time we were
talking? A long time ago. We had all these people, maybe a total of 70, 80
years ago, or maybe they had 100 million people. Now. The country grows and
grows a lot like in China. The people get killed, but the country is grown
up. People that grow, you know, now you talk about them days, but then what
is it? 250 million people without today. You know, sometimes people talk
about a job. It's not a job. Yeah, but can you give everybody a job? A 250?
Oh, God. You know what I mean? These people, sometimes they're too far
behind. A lot of things can't get a job at everybody. Can't get a job until
somebody. Yeah, everybody. What are you going to give them? And today, they
got a lot of machinery, too, you know? Machinery takes a lot of memory
places, too, you know? But what the heck I take today? I take today. I
don't give it up for 50 years ago, 60 years ago, 70 years ago, or whatever
it is. Even today, that's all. No, no, because you got pension. But the way
we live, you know what I mean? Even the people working today, I ain't got.
I used to work for. Digging ditches. Then it on Newstalk. And then we used
to work at tennis and tonight we used to work at ten hours.

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A day, sometimes 11.5 hours.

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Speaker1:  You had to work. Want to go home sometime when you used to go
home? It ain't like today. You take a shower bath, you don't dress up, eat,
then go out again. When you used to walk in the door, you know, you used to
look at the sea to lay down because he was all tired out. Today. You know
what I mean? Today you want to go 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago, 70 years ago,
then days ago. Bye bye. Let him stay there thinking about today. Maybe they
get better yet. You watch. I won't be here. See some time on my head.
Because you're thinking about a thing is the way it used to be. You know,
we used to work one time. We used to work 11 hours a night. I used to work
11 hours a night. $0.10 a hour. All right. Somebody come up and say, What
are you used to make it? I used to make a dollar now. Yeah, but he used to
somebody. Today. We get a big. Of them days refuse to let you make it a
little more than I do. But you know something? But today, you know a little
bit of a thing. You don't have to know something. You make it just as much.
Anybody else know what I mean? See, Labor Day, labor. It makes them. I got
it. 40, $50 a day, see? And days.

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Speaker1:  And sometimes the other guy maybe makes two $0.50. To do from
what today is can be beat to that you support me know what's right is right
and what's wrong is wrong. Today that's a great thing. The only trouble is,
I was born too early. Well, you seen you've seen a lot of changes in the
world. You see? Oh, yeah, I saw. Well, the one time I know it changed
because we used to go from Pittsburgh to Spoonville, Ohio. See, I used to
live in Steubenville, Ohio. I used to live in Steubenville, White County,
West Virginia. Waller Street. Mingo Junction. I used to live there.
Charleroi. I was really young, you know. You don't like to let you move.
When you live on a place like that, you know you're not without a lot of.
We used to go to my car. We're gonna be talking about about 40, 45, 40, 45
years ago we had a and we go from here to high. We're not going to go
tomorrow. You got a roll the ball. Seven You know, right before we had a
roll ball upside down like this, you know, if we ever ran a little bit, you
never get out of the road anymore because the mud gets like a soap, you
know? And then we never had this kind of tide. So they got today, you know,
they got they got to, you know, Mud Road sooner.

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Speaker1:  They ran a little bit. You know, the more the mud started slide
like the soap, you know, same thing. And boy, the cars are going like this.
They get off on a date, so they get it. You go from there. Over there.
Maybe sometime you never get out of here to walk a lot of places. And that
to me and my cousin, we left the machine over there. We start to walk maybe
some of the cars. So they made him some car to the gone. But today. My God.
Moving on to Hollywood. You know everything where we are today. Oh, God.
It's beautiful on the highways. Oh, God. Honest to God. What? That's why
people sometimes, you know, you said it. Change the change you are. What
are you changing today from what it used to be? You can't change what you
can't change. And I think what you're talking you know, people sometimes
say, well, it was a maybe if you had every year we had a few things a
little better, you know, just a few things, you know. But he wasn't one
thing. It was. And he was in trouble all that time. You know what I mean?
See what you saying? Well, I think maybe I've kept you talking long enough.
Yeah, you know, I didn't. I didn't follow this story to, like. This is so
long. Yeah.

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Speaker2:  It's so long. What's good. Sometimes you just have a chance to
talk.

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Speaker1:  It's a story.

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Sometimes. Sometime I tell my wife.

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Speaker1:  You know, people with money they put up with book sales puts it
back. You know, they sell them, Right. I can do that because I'm away in
this country. You hear a lot of things happen to me, too. I'm sure a lot of
things happen. But since I was a kid, I bet any money I can make in one of
his books like his. And that's all true story no line via. That's all
through story. Through stories. But sometime I forget about a lot of
things, you know. Well, see, from one story, I forget a few things. You
know.

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Speaker2:  This is why I asked you to, uh, allow me to tape this because,
uh, people like you, as I told you, have made history just because you live
the history. Right. And we want to get some of these stories done anyway.

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Why don't we? They talk like the old. Instead of bringing to mind.

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Speaker1:  The old days I used to sleep in one. Get and nothing. You know,
sometime I want to change the course of our beginning. Reading in bed, you
know, and go you easily and recently them days today ain't like it used to
be anymore. You see Pittsburgh here. See you still got them up. You see in
Pittsburgh today. I never see I don't think I ever see any more in
Pittsburgh. Yeah, maybe. Maybe What have you. Ain't you maybe one inch yet?
So you know what them days when I'm talking about it? We're talking about
when I come over here. Almost. Minus. 68. Six two. Nine years The 70 years,
anyhow. My God. Of this steeped in the winter time, you know, saw this, you
know, maybe one two feet of snow, three feet of snow when they used to walk
on on on Watson Street downtown on fifth and Ohio and people there to go to
work. You know, I they used to work. One guy goes out in the morning Now
when the one guy goes out in the morning, he puts a footprint that right
right. Now the rest of the guys, they they put the blood on the other guy.
That's one only footprint you see on the street. Well, maybe ten, 12, 15
guys will go through right on the footprint, just like the man did. You
know when a guy did. Right. Same thing right there. But today, that's the
day. Today, that's how I see the weather change. Even a soul. You know what
I mean? Them days. I tell you the truth. My God, what you doing? And then
they start with the weather. Now change. What the heck are you talking
about prior to this kind of weather? Now, I don't know. If I needed this
kind of weather when I was 25 years old and I got I got a lot of stuff you.
See that different things.

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Speaker2:  It's a lot different in.

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Speaker1:  It's a lot of different everything that's a different, you know.
One time I remember one time when we was about we had our own gang of tour,
you know, all the time. And we met a sled ride. You know, there was a
sinner from up the block all the way down Fifth Avenue, all the way down to
Forbes and Fifth Island From where? Up to here on the block, you know, So
they used to put on ice when you get down there, you know, and we had we
met at Sleigh ride to see them days, you know, sled nothing like you see
today. We met a sled right away with two by fours, two by four and one by
ten, you know, one on the bottom of two boards and and on the bottom and
two by fours. We met a celebrity. You can put about 15 guys, boy to 15 guys
right on the top of the hill. We don't keep our speed cars. There was the
street cars are lucky, you know, when you got to live, when you got to live
with only you can't die. No, nobody. You know there's a street cars you go
by with Fifth and Forbes, but there's nobody over there watching. You know,
we come down from up the hill, you know, go through the 40s and 50s just
like don't like it and nobody gets killed. Honestly. Later we met
ourselves. What we used to do and I figured, well, that's it. Maybe that's
a better time. You know, a lot of kids.

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Speaker2:  Well, kids are sleds today, too. Today? Oh, yeah. First they
don't make them themselves today. No, no. Well, Lou really like to thank
you because I've kept you talking probably longer than I should have. Uh,
yeah, I mean, I tell you, you had some good stories to tell, and, uh. And I
wanted to get it all done.

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Speaker1:  On time when I. When I talked, I think I feel a little better.
You're not on normal watch television, all right?

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I don't talk any more, but sometimes I feel weird talking to my wife. No,
no, no, no.

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Speaker1:  When you talk a little bit, I think go outside because I'm sick
and I'm afraid if I catch a cold. I know.

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Speaker2:  Right? Yeah. You want to be careful.

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Speaker1:  But the rest, you know, I thought you're going to talk a little
bit. It looks like even your lungs open up.

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Speaker2:  Cleans them out. I have.

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Speaker1:  To go.