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Interviewer: Almost done. Okay.
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Joseph Cici: So you work the same job as joe?
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Interviewer: Yeah, that's Right. Yeah, we. We worked down here. Started
the same time, same day. Everything.
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Cici: Well, it's a nice job.
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Interviewer: Oh, yeah, yeah we like it.
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Interviewer: So could you tell me when you were born Mr. Cici.
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Cici: Uh, yes. As September 24th 1899.
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Interviewer: 1899. 70 would be 77 this year?
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Cici: Next month. Interviewer: Next month, 77. Cici: 24. Yeah. Time's fly.
Interviewer: It sure does. The years go by. Cici: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Interviewer: And you were born in Italy. What province were you born in?
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Cici: Bari. Interviewer: Bari? Cici: Bari. B A R I. Over in Adriatic sea.
Interviewer: Yeah. Uh huh, uh huh.
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Interviewer: It's what about in the middle?
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Cici: No, no. Mostly South. Interviewer: South? Cici: Yeah. Yeah. Mostly
South. Yeah. Yeah. See they come into Naples, Foggia and Bari. Interviewer:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Cici: Then we have a Taranto, Taranto about 30 miles away
from ours.
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Interviewer: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Cici: And we start from there. They got Ancona, Rimini, Ravenna. I've been
all over. I was in the First World War.
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Interviewer: That's what you told me. Right Right. You just.
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Cici: And the decorations. This. This and the 50th anniversary. I get a
gold medal. And two years ago, they passed a new law. All those veterans
still living, they put up so much time. Come back to Germany. Yeah, they
give it to the Cavaliers.
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Interviewer: That's what. What do you call this again?
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Cici: That's Coach Cavalier.
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Interviewer: Oh, yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. That means the cross of. Of what?
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Cici: That's the thing. Oh, yeah.
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Interviewer: Oh, that's something to be proud of, isn't it? Huh?
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Cici: I supposed to get the pension about?
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Interviewer: Well, we had a had another war in there. In between, huh?
Yeah. That's too bad.
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Cici: See, right here, it says you can read. The president of the
Republican is the head Auden. Victoria Vanitas. Huh? See the.
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Interviewer: Minister of Defense? Yeah.
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Cici: Defense. Yeah, that's right. See the grand country? The grand,
right? Yeah. The honorific honor. Cavaliers. Is my name. Uh huh. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Through the town council. Philadelphia.
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Interviewer: Well, that's really something to be proud.
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Cici: That's nice. That's something. I've been in many those. Maybe a
couple of guys in town.
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Interviewer: Is that right? Cici: Yeah.
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Cici: Well, we had a rough time those days. Oh, we up near the mountains?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we're lucky we're still here yet. Yeah, we suffer a
lot.
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Interviewer: What do you fight for? What? Two years. Year.
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Cici: They call me 1970. June 23rd, 1970. And I guard the church. 1920.
January. Three years. And I had my father here, Milwaukee. And I introduced
my wife. Well, you know, I told you my husband was inside. And I had a my
father in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I put in 20 years between Milwaukee and
Chicago. I have a cousin of 87 years old and the ones all family coming
here. But my mother was sick. Unfortunately, she had an asthma. Uh huh.
When the specialist in Bari said, Mr. Cici says he's taking a chance. She's
in bad shape. I don't think you'll ever get New York City.
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Interviewer: He didn't think that she would.
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Cici: Well, I asked the asthma. Yeah. Well, I rather. My father explained
the situation. All the ones coming back home may approve.
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Cici: And I left. December.
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Cici: December the 3rd. Left Naples.
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Interviewer: 1920.
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Cici: Yeah. And those are the days. The ship we put in 19 days.
Interviewer: 19. Cici: 19 days across. Terrible. We had a storm and
everything else in the wintertime.
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Interviewer: December.
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Cici: December is bad. Yeah. The travels we make.
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Interviewer: You got here just before Christmas, then?
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Cici: No, no. There was a busy in New York City. 5 or 6 ship. We couldn't
land and we there.
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Interviewer: We had to stay out in the harbor. Cici: Yeah.
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Cici: And stay that. And the food was scarce. The company complained. See,
we pay for two weeks, then stay for a week. They had to prepare the food to
buy food in New York City, you know? It was all right. But we ain't wrong
either. Yeah. Can we do?
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Interviewer: So you had to spend Christmas 1920 on the ship right in the
harbor?
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Cici: Yeah. Yeah.
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Interviewer: Were you? Well, you weren't alone, but, I mean, did anyone
come with you from. From? Cici: No.
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Cici: Well, there was about 12 of my friends from the same town. Yeah, but
we got different directions. Yeah, some. Some Cincinnati. And I was the
only one to come in Pennsylvania. Yeah.
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Interviewer: Did you have friends, relatives here in Bradford?
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Cici: Yeah, I had a cousin cousin here.
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Interviewer: So that's why you came to Bradford?
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Cici: Right.
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Interviewer: Did you come right from directly from New York to Bradford?
Cici: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Interviewer: So you would have got here and,
what, around January?
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Cici: Oh, before or not. Interviewer: Before that? Cici: Before.
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Interviewer: You're right on the train in New York and.
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Cici: Right to left in New York City. 7:00 at night. Interviewer: Yeah.
Cici: We got here 8:00 in the morning. No, no, no. But that was we got the
salamanque. We had to change trains from the main line, get the train from
Brest. And there was a Polish girl coming from the old country too. Yeah.
She can't talk. I couldn't talk. And she said, I'm on same seat. And the
conductor come and take it and yeah. And after the conductor left she says
Bradford, she says to me Bradford. Bradford. I said that's all. She can
talk.
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Interviewer: It's the only thing you could do. Cici: That's right.
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Cici: That's right. Yeah.
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Interviewer: How is your feel?
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Cici: Oh good.
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Interviewer: It felt good about being here. Cici: Oh, yeah.
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Cici: Oh, wonderful. I had no place in the world in United States.
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Interviewer: I mean, when you first. That first day.
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Cici: Oh, yeah, Well, of course. No, no, no, no. Well, I was a travel, you
know, during the first war.
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Interviewer: Oh, that's right. You been in the army. Cici: In Palmyra?
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Cici: Yeah. Yeah, I still like to travel. I say.
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Interviewer: Oh yeah, I know some of the people, they never left their
town or their.
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Cici: Well, that's a different. It's different. And I think was the same
day after I got a head clock afternoon. We went to a restaurant. Used to be
worth the Emery now. Yeah. You know the Emery Hotel? Interviewer: Yeah.
Cici: Just a small place. They used to call it Saint James.
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Interviewer: Saint James Hotel. Yeah.
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Cici: And Wendy over there. And those girls was surprised. So this guy
just come from the old country. The way they eat, the manner and
everything. There was about a waiters. Then they find out I was in the war.
They must have traveled. I said, Yeah, you know what it is? Yeah.
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Interviewer: Made a big difference.
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Cici: Oh, sure. Make a difference. Somebody will leave the hometown and
never been any places. It's hard.
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Interviewer: To make it easier for you to adjust then to get used to
things. And. Cici: It.
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Cici: Wasn't so hard at just.
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Interviewer: About the language. Did you have an easier time with that?
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Cici: Well, wasn't bad because my cousin here. Yeah. And the little by
little I started to learn. Interviewer: Yeah.
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Interviewer: I know a lot of times people say that would be the hardest
thing, would be the language, you know, because if you.
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Cici: Yeah but the begin, if you don't have nobody with you, then it's
hard. Yeah but I don't know if you know my cousin and work this and that
you start to learn. So then I have a little education my Italian, they
won't take me long. That's another thing happened and I got it here.
December and January. I had a night school up on Mechanic Street, a school
up there. They used to call a high school, but at night they used to have a
school for the foreigners. There was two teacher. I remember the name of
it, Miss Effie. One and the other one. Mary Stuart. Mary Stuart. Yeah.
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Interviewer: I remember her. Mary Stuart? Yeah.
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Interviewer: She taught-- Cici: You born in Bred.
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Interviewer: Yeah. Yeah.
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Cici: Oh, yeah. And there was about a 10 or 15. The classes I start, they
start the talk. But it was hard to understand. Very much. Interviewer:
Yeah. Cici: Well, it says Mr.. She can do anything on the blackboard. I
can't write. I say. I just come in here last Monday. Well, but you know, I
read my tongue. Oh, yes, it's wonderful. What about can you make any figure
multiply division. So. But the blackboard multiply window. There no time. I
see. I can explain. See? But I'll do the operation. Yeah. No time. Gosh, I
see. It says, but the machine. Go ahead. I think I can do it. She was.
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Cici: Oh, she was in your time. Yeah. Put them in a second grade. Yeah.
After two. I was in the third grade. Well I said Mrs. I don't like that.
Why you got. Yes. I want to learn from the bottom. I said what's yours to
me. I know that stuff. I said I want to learn how to write, you know. Yeah.
All that stuff. Well. Oh you'll pick up a fast. I went a couple of months
but I got a little bit I got ideas but I much and they try for the citizen
papers.
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Cici: Sure I like Mrs. Paper. Well he says you've got to put in three
years and you get a first paper. Yeah. After five years then you get four
paper. And. I was most after you go by a month. That puts you ahead. The
lawn, the Constitution. You know, they get the paper. Then I got married. I
didn't have time to go to school anymore. I had some night work and the
teacher came up to the house. Mr. C is coming. I got married. I got to
work. Something possible to continue the score? Well, she says, I must say
I like it better. Well along. You can come to school.
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Cici: It's all in your book here. You could learn it. Left the book. I
say, What are we going to do now, though? My wife says she went to high
school here in Bradford and. Two times a week. I say you're going to ask
me. Look at the book any way you want. I says I'll see if I could learn.
You know, I learned that book. Is that right? There was about a half inch
thick. I learned that book.
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Interviewer: The two of you together, then. Cici: Yeah. Interviewer:
Right. Yeah. You helped.
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Cici: Yeah. Come. The day I went to Smethport for the paper. The judge
there was about a 1015. Tried to get the paper and Mr. Sisi present. You're
married. You know, I was kind of scared. What? What question are you going
to ask? You married? Yes, sir. Do you have any property? The year I bought
a house. Yes, sir. You have any children?
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Cici: Yes, sir. Start to look.
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Cici: We make the law for the state. State legislature.
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Cici: In. Thunder on the left. Okay.
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Cici: That's all. Interviewer: That was it. Cici: That's all. After I'd
been there a couple of months with that book, she was surprised, too, when
I told him about it. Interviewer: Yeah, that's a lot of.
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Interviewer: Questions he asked.
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Cici: Well, the question, you know, they come in favor of me. I was
married. You have any children? You got a property? What else?
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Unidentified speaker: Why? Memorize the whole book?
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Cici: And then he says, final question. He says, will make a lot of
mistakes in state legislature. Or he left. Okay. Yeah, that was easy. Yeah.
Interviewer: That's good. Cici: Some of the guys tried to be smart with the
judges. You come back to the school come next year. Make you feel good or
anything like that? Interviewer: Sure. Right. Cici: Now? Yeah. Once was in
the store grocery store. Him and Jill used to run. Interviewer: Yeah. Cici:
And we started talking in the paper and says hard enough. Learn the
Constitution. I got a book. I think I make a sale. You learn a book? Yes,
I. Well, he says, I'll bet you a cigar. I'll get you. He asked me a
question. I'll answer. I lost cigar. He said, you do it, huh?
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Interviewer: You do it all. That's good.
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Cici: Yeah, well, when you get a little education for yourself, they make
a lot of difference. Interviewer: That's true. That's true. Cici: Yeah.
Then little by little, I pick up the language.
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Interviewer: So then you. You came here with the rest of your family. Was
still in Italy, right? Your parents? Cici: Yeah. Interviewer: And the
brothers and sisters.
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Cici: I had one sister.
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Interviewer: One sister. She's still there?
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Cici: Yeah. Yeah. My father died. He died in 1947. He was 83 years old. My
mother. I skipped that too. Especially if you take care of yourself. You
could live about ten years. No left. You got to be careful. 1928. But.
1924, I went to Italy. Interviewer: You went back? Cici: Oh, yeah. My
sister got married and I stayed six months. I was young, man. Then I come
back. 1925, we got married 1953. I take her with me. We went to Italy.
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Interviewer: Joe told me you went on the the ship, the Andrea Doria. Am I
right?
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Cici: On the way back. Interviewer: On the way back. Cici: On the.
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Cici: Way back. When you went, there was Satan, you know.
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Unidentified speaker: And when was her maiden voyage? We went came back on
Andre Dorn.
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Cici: And and Theodore. And was the first year that make a trip here?
Yeah. After three years. Two years and a half. A singer.
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Interviewer: Yeah. That's how we got talking about it. One day at work.
You know, he.
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Interviewer: Mentioned, you know. Unidentified speaker: You work with.
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Unidentified speaker: Joe. Interviewer: Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah.
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Cici: Same place, same job.
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Interviewer: And I recall him saying that you went on the maiden voyage.
Yeah.
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Cici: Well, I was working for Venus those days. I take nine weeks off.
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Unidentified speaker: We came back on the Andrea Doria.
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Cici: Oh, yeah. Beautiful ship.
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Cici: Luxury. Interviewer: A lot better than the ship you came on the
first time. Oh, yeah.
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Cici: Oh, three times. Yeah. First time was rough. 19 days. I spent the
most time in bed. Yeah. Sick. Yeah, but rough after I came back here. Make
a lot of them. She never been across the ocean before. Oh, no.
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Interviewer: No problems?
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Cici: No. Some of the people there got on the ship. Yeah. All trips.
Yeah.
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Unidentified speaker: I didn't want to go to Italy anyway, but I said, why
don't you go? We have to bring me.
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Cici: So finally, I convince him.
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Unidentified speaker: Well, if you don't go, I won't go.
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Interviewer: After you were there. You enjoyed it.
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Unidentified speaker: I did. I really enjoyed it. Yeah. We went to Rome
and. Yeah, I enjoyed it.
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Interviewer: Beautiful, beautiful country.
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Cici: Oh, you ever been?
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Interviewer: I was there when I. Well, when I was in the Army. I was
stationed in Germany, and we took a leave, and I went with two other
fellows and we went for two weeks. We went out through Switzerland and into
Italy and we went as far south as we got as far south as Naples. We we went
to Rome. We spent a lot of time in Rome.
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Interviewer: Florence, Venice. A lot. Those places, but.
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Interviewer: We spent well, we got in Rome and we spent so much time there
that we, you know, we didn't have the time to travel the whole country.
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Cici: We spent one week.
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Interviewer: That's about how long we were there. Yeah.
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Cici: Yeah, yeah.
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Unidentified speaker: Yeah. After I was there, I enjoyed it.
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Interviewer: Oh, yeah. So much. So much beauty. So much. Yeah.
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Unidentified speaker: Yeah. It's really something to see.
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Cici: I have a nephew. He's in Florence. Florence? Interviewer: Yeah.
Cici: I just got the job, and I have a niece. Melanie. Uh huh. And I have a
couple of niece in the province via the. My sister. My brother Lord died
eight years ago. Wonderful man. That's why God had a stroke. Me send a
message.
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Interviewer: Nice. Was it? Was he your mother's family that was here or
your father's?
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Interviewer: Your cousin. Cici: Oh.
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Interviewer: Related to your father. Your father's side?
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Cici: Yeah. Yeah. He's still living.
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Interviewer: And there would be none of your mother's family in this
country then, right? Cici: No, no.
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Cici: No, no. Well, I have a call from me here. That's wife. It's a
message saying. And he came, I think, a couple of years after I came here,
and she got married and got a family.
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Unidentified speaker: What about Vito? How is he your cousin? Cici: Well.
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Cici: Used to come in. My mother, my mother and his mother was sisters.
But my father spent 20 years over there with him. That was close. Yeah.
I've been once. Milwaukee.
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Interviewer: Well, both you. We're both your parents. Born in the same
province.
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Cici: Oh, yes. Same town.
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Interviewer: Same town. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What was the name of the town?
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Cici: San Miguel.
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Interviewer: San Miguel. Miguel.
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Cici: San Miguel.
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Interviewer: Oh, yeah. Uh huh. Uh huh. Yeah. So then when you came here in
1920, you came to stay, right? You knew you were going to stay?
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Cici: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
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Interviewer: What do you think your biggest reason, Your main reason was
for coming to.
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Cici: Coming to here?
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Interviewer: Yeah.
Cici: Well, first I had my father, and I, like I said, I like to come and
hear them. And when I came here, you know, Different life here.
Interviewer: Yeah. Cici: Different work and everything. So enjoy the life
and different.
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Interviewer: Your. What kind of work did your father do?
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Cici: You mean Italy.
Interviewer: Yeah.
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Cici: Agriculture. Most of the south. The agriculture? Interviewer: Yeah.
Cici: We have land. We had a house.
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Cici: Our own. Interviewer: Yeah.
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Cici: But I used to like, I work with a mason. I used to like trader
wanted to trade him. I started to buy tools. Then we had a piece of land,
you know, And my father, I was the only one boy and he wants me to work
with him. Yeah. And they like very well. When he come home, I says, I'll
fix my paper. Of course I added the paper, I fix the passport and
everything.
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Interviewer: Yeah. Cici: And the left.
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Interviewer: So you learned. You learned the Mason's trade? Cici: Yeah.
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Cici: Yeah, I learned. I worked with him a couple years.
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Interviewer: So when you came here, you had a trade already.
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Cici: Right. Well, you can do. I didn't have a full trade, you know.
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Interviewer: Well, you had some experience.
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Cici: Yeah. Yeah.
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Interviewer: Is that the kind of work you got into first? Mason? Mason?
Cici: No.
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Cici: No. Most. I had my cousin. He was a contractor. A cement contractor?
Interviewer: Yeah. Cici: And I started to work with him.
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Interviewer: I was here in Bradford. Cici: Yeah. Yeah.
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Cici: I think we work. I went to work. Brickyard. Of course, you don't
work all year round.
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Interviewer: That's right. Yeah. Just in a good weather, huh? Right. The
brickyard you worked in during the winter. Cici: Yeah. Interviewer: What
was that? The one out here? Penn Brick? Cici: Penn. Brick. Interviewer:
High Street. Cici: Right.
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Cici: You remember? Ready? Interviewer: Ready. Cici: Used to run. Yeah.
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Interviewer: I don't think so.
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Cici: No.
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Interviewer: It ain't familiar, but I don't know.
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Cici: Well, I used to run the Brickyard. There was a Jack Sheen. John
Sheen. Then they moved out of here when the sound contractor business
became millionaire life line. Then they closed the end of 26.
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Interviewer: 1926.
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Cici: Penn Brick and I got in, done Dresser's and done dresser. I worked
there till 32, 32 depression come.
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Interviewer: Way back then.
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Cici: For a year and a half I work one day a week. One day a week. I used
to make a tap, which I used to be in machine Parade and the mill $5 in the
$0.04. I had four children, four kids and the house tax back.
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Interviewer: $5 a week.
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Cici: $5 and the $0.04 a week. So the feeling my family had to make a
debts can't pay no tax and pay the mortgage will. Never see those days
again.
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Interviewer: What did you think? I mean, you were you had been here about
ten years in this country.
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Cici: Before the Depression.
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Interviewer: Before the Depression. And then all of a sudden, the.
