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Frances Cary: Frances Levinson. Kerry I was a Levinson The first fish
people in the city of Pittsburgh. Interviewer: Oh. Cary: My father is a
gun. My father had the first was the first Jewish merchant here. He had a
little grocery store. Then he was so religious that the Gentile people
were. The Bluff is Mercy Hospital. It used to be residential in those days.
And they would wait till Saturday night because he didn't open his store on
Saturday, the Sabbath.
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Interviewer: What was his first name? Cary: And his name was Aaron Henry
Levinson. He was one of the originators of the grand shul, the shul down
near the arena, the well, that's the new one down there. Ours was next to
the epiphany. Now, the epiphany had something wrote in that it's the stand
there regardless what went on. But they had made a mistake. They didn't do
that. They didn't you know, they weren't so up on. Different things, those
old timers. Interviewer: And how old are you? Cary: And I'll be 83 the
first day of March.
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Interviewer: Where were you born? Cary: I was born on the corner of Wylie
and Webster. Interviewer: In Pittsburgh. Do you know your mother's maiden
name? Cary: Baker. Her name was Dora. Rachel Baker. Interviewer: Was there
ever any name change for her, or was it? Cary: That's what I want to tell
you. My father started with the anchor savings bank. Then Donahue came in.
Remember? Donahue or do you on Fifth? I don't know what's there.
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Cary: I don't get in town too much. His name was Laszewski, and they
didn't want the ski, so they gave him the name of Levinson. When we went to
school, I'd say, meet my cousin so-and-so. Well, how come her name is Lass
Dusk And your name is? We were. I said, we're not going through that again.
But anyway, that that's how that happened. In later years. My father took
asthma and he wasn't permitted to go into the ice houses. So my two
brothers, Max and Abe, took over. The wholesale was up on Fifth Avenue,
where the car turns down to Sixth Street, and they ran the two stands in
the diamond. It was called the Diamond Market down there. What is it now?
The.
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Cary: Why do they call that place down there where everything goes on?
Interviewer: Well, Union Square. Cary: I beg your pardon? Interviewer:
Market Square. Cary: Market square. That's where it was. And. I. I went to
the Hancock School. Oh, no, you don't want to do that. Interviewer: All
right. And your mother's maiden name was Baker. Was there any change in her
name? Cary: No, there never was, because that was pretty far back, you
know, with her.
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Interviewer: Where did your parents come from? Your father? Cary: Russia.
Poland. Interviewer: And your mother. Cary: That we were Litvaks.
Interviewer: Uh, what language do you speak? Cary: It's Jewish and a little
bit of lotion. Kurdish and German. And I won't say how many because I'm not
too good on most of them, German and Jewish.
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Cary: But my mother spoke five languages. She was what she called a social
worker, what they call now that are educated in college and. Get paid, you
know, But she that was her life. She she went from hospital to hospital,
from the poor. She was the only woman that was allowed in an operating room
to the so many foreigners. She would speak their language. They were afraid
of operations. They didn't know, though, when after the anesthetic she had
to leave the operating room. Naturally, she went carried baskets to the
prisoners in the old workhouse. She was affiliated with all all. She was
one of the first.
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Cary: Well, her cousin, Annie Davis. You've heard of Annie Davis, the
Davises. Well, that was Mom's cousin. There are two brothers were brothers.
There are two fathers and her and Annie Davis and two other women. Well,
they started the offer. My mother used to go in all the big business
houses. She got that big fur chandelier in her house in the old one on
Centre Avenue. And my sisters and I, we used to go there and entertain,
make money, $0.50 a ticket. And we would, you know, different acts and
things like that. I played and my sisters sang and danced. We were all
musically inclined. Interviewer: Did you ever work? Cary: I was the first
pianist in the silent movies. Oh, and I played in all the theaters.
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Cary: I opened the Harris and then vaudeville and all downtown. That's
when I thought I had too much education and started in the movies to my
which my parents I was to go overseas and, you know, but I got the bug to
work in the theater. And I opened the house on Diamond Street and I opened
the million dollar grant. That's where the Warner is. It was called the
Million Dollar Grant. It's vaudeville. It's the most gorgeous place that
you'd ever. Harry Davis owned it.
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Cary: Did you ever hear of Harry Davis? Interviewer: Well, I know a
certain. Davis. Yeah. And how many years did you, uh, do that kind of work?
Cary: Oh, I worked for I was 12 years old when I first started in the
theaters, and I worked till I was married, and my husband wouldn't approve
of it. And I. I years and years and years till I met my husband. Then he
didn't want me playing. I used to go occasionally be not. You know, all all
the work I did then was just for myself, you know what I mean? Or help some
of the girls out or something like that. Or, uh, I never took any money,
you know, it was all volunteer work.
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Cary: I was with the USO for 45 years. Oh, my. This is another citation.
Thus. Rabbi Halpern, You knew him or heard of him? Tree of Life. You'll
have to read that.
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Cary: He wrote that about my mother. He used to go and visit her every
Sabbath. From this one Sabbath. He was coming home. No. He had asked her if
she went to see the burial coming through of Abraham Lincoln. And he asked
her if she remembered the date. Then she was. My mother was 95 when she
died.
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Interviewer: Uh, your religion? Cary: Jewish/ Interviewer: Conservative or
Orthodox? Cary: I'm still aware I was born. I'm very much orthodox. I only
know the one that I was raised. Interviewer: And as for politics. Cary: I
meant to tell you. He. She. He. He stopped off at the Carnegie Library in
Oakland and asked the librarian because he had forgotten he wanted to make
sure. And it was identical to what my mother told him. And she was 85 at
that time.
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Cary: Her memory was. It's just something I have. A sister. Mrs. Cohen
lives on Beacon Street. Interviewer: What's her first name? Cary: Mrs. Lena
Cohen. She's 93, and she just marvels. She once Kaufman's today to get her
hair done. Her daughter, Genevieve. She was with the Red Cross. She just
retired for 35 years. She was personnel director. And she had a she had.
Three sons, two attorneys, and and one a psychiatrist in New Rochelle. Then
I had another sister that her son owns. This drugstore over here. Soliders
drugstore and. So what else is on there?
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Interviewer: All right. It's politics. Do you remember in 1921 when Eugene
Debs was running for president? Cary: Who, who?
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Interviewer: Eugene Debs ran. Cary: That last name? Interviewer: Debs, D E
B S. When he ran for president, who did you or your family vote for in
those days? Cary: I wasn't much. My brothers were very political. They were
big politicians. But I never I was always on the go. Interviewer: Were they
Democrats or Republicans? Cary: My father was a staunch Democrat. He used
to go and hear Bryan when he came to Pittsburgh, his lectures. My father
was very intellectual man, especially in Judaism.
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Cary: And but my brothers, whoever they wanted to get in, they just turned
and they got they got their arms strong. Do you ever hear that's the way
that they got him in Pittsburgh. All those tunnels going from the south
side, the one going out from Duquesne University, they're named that.
That's the Armstrong Tunnels. They were named after him because he was very
good to the poor. Oh, my. Very good to the poor. My mother walked. We lived
on Ophelia Street in Oakland, across from the old Pittsburgh Hospital for
Children.
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Cary: That's one street up at the High Street and two streets. After you
leave the Craig Street? No, on my way back there, I'm like, uh, what's the
name of that street? Well, then I can't think of it. But anyway, she walked
from Ophelia Street, you know, with the West Penn Hospital, because she
heard that there was a woman to be admitted there.
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Cary: Very poor woman had no money. And in those days they didn't take
them. And she walked to that hospital to get her in and spoke for her
because she couldn't speak a word. And that is she wouldn't write on
Shabbos, see? And she walked. Then coming back, my father says, Where's
where's mom? And I says she always had her shawl hanging right there. And
she'd say, Tell your father I'm laying down. And she went down to the
engine house because she knew them all. After Shabbos. And they came.
Here's my mother coming in the chief's car.
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Cary: I gotta say, here's a beautiful picture. She was a beautiful woman.
Snail Thanks. Interviewer: And you've lived in Pittsburgh all your life?
Cary: All my life. Interviewer: Do you remember when you were very young,
The first neighborhood you lived in? Cary: We lived on Congress Street
corner with second door from Fifth Avenue. We lived on Congress Street. We
the we were the only Jewish family then. My father bought this beautiful
home on Ophelia Street in. Interviewer: At Congress Street. Is it-- Cary: c
o n g r e. Double S Congress Street. Then we moved to Ophelia street and we
were the only Jewish people.
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Cary: It was a Welsh settlement. See, right back of the playhouse. That's
a beautiful big street. Then that that's that Wells Church right there.
They were all all Welsh people. We were the only Jewish people on the
street for years and years and years.
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Cary: Then my brother, when he was married, he he lived there.
Interviewer: And where did you move after Ophelia Street? Cary: Well,
that's where I went. No, we. We lived there 45 years or more. I was
married. My see, I was married to a Gentile, but he turned Jewish and my
children were raised Jewish. They were all mislead and had braces and
everything. I was one of the first five in the Bethel synagogue. I just got
a beautiful. I won't get it. You can take my word for it. A. Well, I get
them so many all the time from different organizations and everything that
I've had. I'll just show you this one.
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Interviewer: What Organization for Jewish people have you been active in?
Cary: Just beth-el. When I was a little girl. But I won't put that in
because. Interviewer: Yeah. What? Cary: No, I was with. Oh, no, the best.
I'll appreciate if I'm just the Beth El. Interviewer: that's the most
important to you. Cary: That's the one in my life. The Bethel. I was.
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Interviewer: But you must have belonged to other organizations. Cary:
Well, no. Interviewer: Hadassah? Cary: I didn't stay with them. I didn't
stay with them. I just put my whole life in our show. And my nephew. Sam
was here. That's my. That was my brother, Max's daughter's husband. He was
Cantor of Beth El Till he died a few about three years ago. He was a very
fine, highly educated, lovely when I was in the hospital.
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Cary: He was very sick and he said, I have to go and see Frances. And
Selma said, Well, she's not going to be operated on for a few days. He
said, Let's go. Excuse me, ma'am. And he died on Friday. And I was operated
on Tuesday. And I never know. He never knew he died. Even they wouldn't
they didn't want to tell me, you know.
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Interviewer: And you said your parents were born. Cary: In Russia. Poland,
I think it was. It must have been. Anyhow, we were lit ducks. Interviewer:
And do you know what port of entry. Where did they land? In the United
States when they came to this country? Cary: Well, I get into New York in
Pittsburgh, and they never were out of it. Then it was Rabbi Zivitz and
Rabbi Ashinsky.
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Interviewer: I'll ask you about those later. When your parents moved to
Pittsburgh, where did they live? Cary: They lived. They lived on the
different places they lived. Well, when I was born, they lived on on Wiley
and Webster. But I don't know before that because I never I never got into.
Well, all present. That's where they. Interviewer: And then. And then they
moved to, uh. Cary: Then they moved up to Fifth Avenue near. Not
Washington. No. They live in their. I guess that was. Hirsch comes High
Street, then comes. All right. And street. Then comes Washington Street.
Well, I just love different prices, but I just don't remember.
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Cary: No, it was my grandmother lived on Chatham. It wasn't Chatham
because I remember bringing groceries to her. Interviewer: And you said
your father's occupation was. Cary: A grocer, had a little grocery store.
Then he had a bigger one on fifth and. Is that Federal? Federal? Yeah.
Yeah, because Washington's up from federal. I forget that neighborhood, but
yeah, fifth and federal. I'm right. That's right.
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Interviewer: Did your mother work outside of the home? Cary: It all in the
grocery store all the time. Because at the dinner table one night, I said,
Mom, why does this little girl always her mother was twice now stopped me
and asked me, Is your mother going to be in the store today? And my father
spoke up and said, because she gives her a chicken when she buys a chicken,
she my mother would say she has eight children.
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Interviewer: How many brothers do you have? Cary: Well, I have. I had. For
living. But I only remember two because my brother Moses. He was a soldier.
That is, he was in the 18th Regiment and he went to the homestead strike.
Oh, excuse me. And then they had visiting day and this woman was crossing
over and he ran in front of her and they shot him. Interviewer: And how
many? Cary: His name was Moses. Interviewer: How old was he when he died?
Do you know? Cary: He was 21. Interviewer: How many sisters did you have?
Cary: My mother had 13 children.
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Interviewer: And how many were the sisters?
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Cary: And there was now there's four of us living. My sister Rose. This
just died two years ago that owned this drugstore. She lived down here on
Connecticut. I have one sister in Santa Monica and one sister lives in. Do
you know the harders? The harder, harder, The harder. You know, even
harder. That's my sister. Everhart is my sister.
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Interviewer: And do your brothers?
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Cary: She has two sons. You know, they're surgeons in Shadyside.
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Interviewer: It's another potter. Cary: No, no, no. Interviewer: Uh, where
do your brothers live?
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Cary: They're both dead.
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Interviewer: They're both dead now. Did anyone else share the home with
your family when you were growing up? Did you have.
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Cary: Oh, my. I couldn't tell you, but there were relatives. My father's.
My father's mother used to come from England. Like you go from here to the
north side and then you had to get on a ship, you know, and she'd get tired
and she didn't like it. And. But my grandmother lived with us till she
died.
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Interviewer: Did you have any other relatives living other than the
grandmothers?
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Cary: Well, my little sister, my one sister was pretty sick. But that
that's immaterial. And she lived with us a long time.
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Interviewer: Did you, your family take in any boarders? Cary: Any what?
Interviewer: Boarders?
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Cary: Oh, no. We had enough of our own. God bless us.
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Interviewer: Now your education. You went to grade school.
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Cary: In the Fifth Avenue High.
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Interviewer: And after that?
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Cary: After that, I was playing the piano in the theater.
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Interviewer: Do you remember how old you were when you had your first
job?
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Cary: When I had my first what? Interviewer: job. Cary: I was 12 years
old.
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Cary: And I.
Cary: Used to play C In those days. They were only open a few evenings a
week. There was 99 seats. You can see across from Commons on Smithfield
Street, there's John Harris's picture and it tells that's where the
original first movie was. And that's where I play.
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Interviewer: Do you remember how much you earned when you played the
piano?
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Cary: $9 a week. I remember that well, because my father, all of them used
to say that wouldn't even buy me a good cigar. He was quite a kidder
laughing, you know?
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Interviewer: And that $9 was for how many hours?
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Cary: Well, we worked.
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Cary: Uh.
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Cary: We only work the two evenings and some time in a day. Well, it would
be from. From six. You only you only could they didn't keep open late from
6 to 11. But in later years I worked the Lyric Theatre for eight hours and
I got $12 a week. Then I had a meeting. And I was my own agent and my own
union.
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Cary: Then they gave us. I made it up. To $25 a week. I said no one will
show up. He said, Is this a union? I said, It's a union of our own, Mr.
Harris. I said, the girls go to school and they just have to buy books. And
I went on with my. And I. I told my daddy about it and he said. Well, it
wasn't telling the truth, though. You have to go with an Amazon. I said.
Well, that. You don't know who you're dealing with. I said, the man's a
millionaire and he has it.
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Interviewer: Oh, after that. Any other job?
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Cary: Oh, yes. I worked the I worked for two cousins down the road down at
the Minerva. What was the name of that? Oh, no, I can't think of it.
Minerva Theatre. The Minerva Theatre. And then I came up to the Blackstone
and Mr..
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Cary: So many of them.
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Cary: I work at the Blackstone Theatre there. Well, the managers are in
the chair. And then I worked I opened the house on Diamond Street. The
vaudeville house. Then I worked the sweeper calls. They had an orchestra
and I worked with the call the supper shows from 5:00. Then the show would
start at 730 and I would, you know, like jugglers and the bicycle, all
those chaps and dancers and singers. And I worked with the call the Supper
show.
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Interviewer: And this was where? Where was this set that they had this.
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Cary: Million dollar grant that Harry Davis owned it.
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Interviewer: When did your did you contribute to the home to your parents
while you were working as a young girl? Cary: Oh, no.
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Cary: My people were wealthy. Half the time. And they didn't know I was
working because they were.
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Interviewer: Did you ever--
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Cary: I was visiting a girlfriend or.
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Interviewer: Oh. Did you ever help support other people than yourself?
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Cary: No, never.
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Interviewer: And which of these jobs was the highest paying job?
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Cary: The million dollar grant. Now, I'm a big girl. I'm a young lady
like, there. And I used to dress that way at night. And in the daytime I
just wore soft dresses.
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Interviewer: About how old were you when you worked at the Million Dollar
Grant?
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Cary: Well, I worked. I went with my husband. We don't want to put that
down. For three years and nobody knew it because, you know, and he worked
at night and I took the job in the lyric at night and we'd meet and go.
Interviewer: Well, how.
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Interviewer: Old were you when you were married?
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Cary: And I met when I met George, I was not quite 21.
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Interviewer: And you went with him about three years. So you were married
About 24. So we get an idea of the when.
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Cary: I was about 23.5, not not, not 24 or know that.
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Interviewer: Do you know why your parents came to Pittsburgh? What brought
them to this area?
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Cary: Oh, they were all coming. You know, from New York to settle here.
See, you know how it is. They were told this is the.
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Interviewer: Did they have any friends or family?
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Cary: You know, they.
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Interviewer: But did they have any.
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Cary: The melting.
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Interviewer: Did they have any relatives here that. Cary: Oh, no.
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Cary: They were the only ones.
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Interviewer: Any friends. I mean, how did they know there was.
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Cary: There was five of them came see.
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Interviewer: Five different families.
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Cary: And. I remember one man's name was Topolski. They had their big
gents furnishing, as his son did, too. I guess that had a gents furnishings
on Fifth Avenue and they went with the other man's name.
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Cary: Who can't think.
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Cary: I remember those men when I was little coming in. I was. Well,
anyway. I remember when my father went to the depot and my mother to meet.
Rabbi Ashinsky. He came from Detroit. I remember that. And they stayed at
our house a while. Well, it was.
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Cary: There was another.
Cary: Rabbi. I told you before. Yes. Interviewer: Sivitz. Cary: Sivitz. It
was already established. But my father went and met and got him acquainted
and got him in the to become the rabbi in the shul.
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Interviewer: Where did the people in your neighborhood come from when you
were a child?
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Cary: Well. Uh, they lived the. The Catholics lived up on the bluff and
all those streets near Mercy Hospital. Locusts. And. And, uh, you know,
uh.
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Interviewer: And the Catholics were from Ireland.
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Cary: And the Italian people. The Torchy's had the Italian bank. They
lived on Webster Avenue and all around, you know, Marian Street and Locust
Street and Dinwiddie Street.
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Interviewer: It was a mixed neighborhood. Cary: Yeah.
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Cary: It was very much mixed. Very much.
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Interviewer: Uh, did your parents have-- Cary: they used.
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Cary: To come in our house on Friday night and turn the lights out because
we weren't allowed. They were all understood and they lived. Inseparable.
You know, like one religion they didn't know from nothing. In those days,
they come back Saturday morning at noon. Lit the lit, the stoves and all
and so forth. The goyim. Because my father was too religious. You didn't.
You didn't wash dishes till Saturday night. He was. He was the McCoy. You
got to believe it. One of the shock they had when I married George, but.
Oh, they dearly loved him. He was chief electrician for Lowe's for 35 years
till he died.
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Interviewer: What about some of the hard problems you faced in life in
Pittsburgh when growing up?
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Cary: Well, honey, I'm sorry. I didn't face any anything. Everything was
about Dickey Center. Like to say we lived in this beautiful home.
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Interviewer: How were you treated as a Jew? Any bad feelings shown?
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Cary: I didn't get that.
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Interviewer: How were you treated as a Jew? Were there any bad feelings?
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Cary: No way. The priests. The parish house was on Franklin Street, right
ahead of Congress. And the priests used to come in just to hear me
practicing. And I used to work in their their tea parties. And Turner Hall
on Forbes Street. I used to dress up as a Spanish girl. My hair was down to
here and. Always helped out doing things. And they reciprocated. Always
lived as my best girlfriend was Marie and her, you know, the Boylans owned
all those. How do you.
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Interviewer: Spell that bore? B o?
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Cary: B-o-y-l-a-n. And they had all those saloons, one on Second Avenue on
fifth. And now that's Smithfield and second. And the other one was on on
the south side. And her there were seven brothers and her father was the
only one that wasn't wealthy. He was the bartender. But they treated him,
you know, And Marie used to come to our house. On on Friday nights all the
time. And my mother would give her fish, but she didn't eat the chicken.
She was a very good Roman Catholic. The Bordelons are still in Beechview.
That's where I raised my family in Beechview.
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Interviewer: What's the first organization of Jewish people being formed
that you can remember when growing up? Any temple being formed or
synagogue? Cary: No.
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Cary: Not the temple. I was a young lady. You mean Rabbi Freehof Temple?
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Interviewer: Well, do you know anything about that?
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Cary: Yes.
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Cary: I.
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Cary: Yes. We used to go to hear his lectures. That's right. And.
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Interviewer: What was the most important Jewish organization when you were
growing up?
