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William X. Brock: All right. And now where the Nation of Islam comes in
at, are we--are we on? Okay. The--where the Nation of Islam comes in. It is
that it appeals to man to grow in this fashion. It appeals to man to fight
that, uh trial of the environment, that trial of the body, that trial of
the fiery passion that will face the trial of the gravity of emotion.
Gravity of materialism. Right. It appeals to man to fight this, to become a
whole man. Because if a man is tied up in the womb of physical and tied up
in the womb, of emotional or even locked in the womb of intellectual
growth, if he's just totally intellectual, he's not complete as a man
either. All right? But if man is--can fight these gravitational pulls,
these forces, because man has been placed in his body as a trial to him,
right? If he can--if we can appeal to man to fight these urges, then he can
overcome these difficulties because man was created to face difficulties.
And if he can overcome these difficulties, then he gets achieved the
satisfaction of becoming a whole man. But if he doesn't, he's going to be
dead in one of these wombs, all right? This is--if you take a person, it's
a--it's a--it's a natural urge to eat. Right? And good food. I mean, good
tasting food, especially.
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W. X. Brock: Especially sweet food for most people. Right? But if man
won't fight that urge to pick up cake every time he gets the urge, if he
won't make his body submit to his mind and say, body, you can't have any
cake right now, you know, man will do himself detriment. Man will get bad
teeth, right? Man will get sugar diabetes, you know, man will get high
blood pressure, whatever. Right? If man can't fight the emotional pull
of--of--of the gravity that even exists between all female and male. Right?
There's a--I might be married, you might be married, but there's a certain
gravitational pull that exists even right here, see? But if we can't fight
that, if we can't take our mind and say, now we control this right, I'm
somebody else's husband and you're somebody else's wife, see? So I have
enough morals inside of my man. I have enough moral growth and intellectual
growth to do the intelligent thing because it would be easy, all right, for
us to submit to the passions of the flesh, you see, to the physical desires
and the emotional desires. If man doesn't exercise the battleground of the
environment because the environment is barraging man constantly with the
idea of even adultery. Right? K. Brock: Oh yeah. W. X. Brock: If you watch
movies, you know, they they praise adultery in an underhanded way. You
know, they make it seem like if the guy who commits adultery is a great
man, you know, I mean, he got a big Cadillac, he got a fine office, you
know what I mean? And he's just he's just everything, right?
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W. X. Brock: But if you can't fight that environment, if the you inside of
you can't fight that environment, then you're going to fall a victim to
that and it's going to serve your detriment in the long run. Now, it might
feel good temporarily, right? But in the long run, it won't do you any
good, you see. All right. Same is with if if man is tied up in the womb of
intelligence because intelligence or knowledge is a burden on the mind,
belief is a burden on the mind. It's a real burden on the mind. If you
believe we call that an emotional womb, right. If a man is tied up in
emotions and and he believes things, you know, he believes what everybody
says or even he might just believe truth, that's a burden on him because he
doesn't know. There's always a question. Right? Knowledge is also a burden
because you can know a thing and not understand it. And if you don't
understand what it means that you know--what you know means, right? You
have to make decisions. And whenever a person makes a decision, that
implies that there was a desire to do something other than what he did or
there was a possibility to do something other than what he did, right?
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W. X. Brock: So decision itself is a burden, right? And when a man is tied
up in the womb of knowledge, but if you grow and exercise muscles in all
three of these wombs, if you exercise muscles in the physical world, what
happens? You get stronger muscles. You become--you become, first it's hard
to do ten push ups, but if you do them every day against the will of the
body, say, body I ain't gonna let you stop right now. You got to do a few
more, right? Pretty soon you get strong and then it ain't no problem,
right? In the moral womb, if you--if you exercise moral integrity, dignity.
Right? It's going to be hard at first, right? You know, difficult. But
you're exercising the moral muscle, right? So eventually it's no longer a
problem, you know. Then you come to what we call the intellectual
growth--point of growth. If you--if you grow and exercise intellectually,
pretty soon your intelligence is so much a part of you until it no longer
becomes intelligent. It's just a natural thing to do, especially if you
want to do what's right. You don't have to intellectually do what's right.
You just become pleased with right. And it's no longer a decision. You just
say, well, I'm going--in fact, to do wrong, you would have to make a
decision to do wrong, you see.
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W. X. Brock: So you get deliverance from these wombs of total darkness.
You're in a womb of darkness in the physical world. You're in a womb of
darkness, in the emotional or moral world. You're in a womb of darkness, in
the knowledge or intellectual world. Right. We call that rationale. You
know, that's a dangerous point when you're just intellectual because a
person can use his rationale to make anything right. I could sleep with you
and decide in my mind. I could use my reasoning function to say, that's all
right. Here, you're married, you might have responsibilities, you know, I'm
married, I have responsibilities. But I use my rationale because I'm
intelligent, you know, to reason that--that's what's done. Nixon did that.
The Romans did that. They said the ends justifies the means. K. Brock:
Right. W. X. Brock: Right. So they they use rationale. They use that
intelligence to their own advantage, to the advantage of of, uh, in other
words, they're witty. You call a person at his wits end. You ever heard of
that? Like a witty person. You know, you say something and they can retort
an answer right back to you. I don't like that. You know, always got to be
on top with what they say. Quick of tongue. You know, I can't--I don't like
that too much. Person like that I usually don't trust, until I see him for
a long time operating, okay? All right.
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W. X. Brock: So, but if you exercise in these three wombs of growth and
development and you force yourself to submit to what you have natural
hungers for, you have a natural hunger for emotional and moral growth. You
have a natural hunger for intellectual growth. You have a natural hunger
for physical growth. I mean, even at birth, a baby has this. Okay? And if
you--that same gravity that keeps a baby from sitting up at first when he
first is born or keeps him from walking, is the gravity that's pulling on
you not to do what's right. Okay. It would be easy for the baby to just lay
down, right? But he got an urge to sit up. He got an urge to pull on tables
and stand up. Pretty soon he starts walking, but as he walks, pretty soon,
he don't need the table anymore. If you keep on going, then he's strong,
right? So the Nation of Islam appeals to you to move this--move in this
way. Now you say, why is that important? What's the what's the purpose for
man moving in that direction? Why why shouldn't man just continue to be
wicked as a whole? If we believe in a creator, we should study the purpose
of the creator's creation, and then we'll know why we should do what we
ought to do. Because if you if you see a car, for example, you believe
there's a creator of a car, Henry Ford created a car, right?
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W. X. Brock: Henry Ford had in mind what he wanted to do with the car. Is
that right? It's supposed to carry people around. K. Brock: Right. W. X.
Brock: You know, now you can take a car and tie a chain to it and pull
trees up if you want to. Run down buildings and everything if you want to.
Run up and down, racing up and down the highway if you want to. But the
life expectancy of that car is going to be greatly depreciated because it's
not serving in the function that the creator had in mind for it. K. Brock:
Right. W. X. Brock: It's the same as with man. If man was made to come to
human dignity, to excellence and master all of creation, if man was made,
and not only all of creation, but himself too, if man was made to master
himself and all of creation, you know, the fish of the sea, every creeping,
creeping thing that creepeth. So they say, right, if he was made to do that
and he doesn't do that, if he falls a victim to flesh desires, if he falls
a victim to alcohol and dope, if he falls a victim--a victim to emotional
pull, if he stays hung up in the intellectual world and doesn't move toward
oneness and put truth on the throne in his mind, look at truth completely.
You know, then he's not doing what the creator had in mind for him, and he
won't progress as a society.
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W. X. Brock: And the proof is, look at America. Look at governments around
the world today. You see the same situation. You see air pollution, you see
water pollution. You see corrupt governments. Right? As a direct result of
man not placing truth on the throne. Man placed automobiles on the throne.
He placed computers on the throne. All praise is due to the computer,
right? K. Brock: Yeah. W. X. Brock: He placed--he placed intellectual
growth on the throne. He thinks his intelligence is better than God's,
right? Scientists--scientists laugh at religious people. Religion has been
pitted against science, so to speak, right? Not in Islam. Islam appeals to
you to move mathematically. We think the physical creation was set up so
that we can dig and search and understand and move towards divinity of God
just by our studies, just through our studies. You can't--you will never
get the God. Just we-- we say like this. If you want to know, if you want
to know a workman and you don't see him, you have to look at his works,
right? So it's like if you see a big building out there and you know, the
architect put it up there, but you can't find the architect, right? But you
want to know something about that architect's mind, right? You look into
the works of the architect.
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W. X. Brock: [telephone rings] Okay, that's my phone. [sound of tape
pausing]
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W. X. Brock: So that's what the Nation of Islam is. It appeals to man to
grow and why and it also appeals to man. To take the example of the
Bilalian community in America, because here is a religion that has come and
resolved the problems of the people who were the most rejected and most
despised in all of the world community. The Black man in America was hated
by everyone, including himself. Right? But this religion has come and
changed around the very dere--derelicts, the rejects in society. Here is a
me, little me, six months ago I didn't even have a job. Right? But
religion--this Islam is so powerful. It's built such a character in me that
I can come in over people have been here a long time and I'm the deputy
director in just six months. Okay. That means that some character has been
made out of this little so-called Negro. K. Brock: Right. W. X. Brock:
Right. Now, if religion can do that to people like us, then the problems
that everybody else have is nothing. See, the people in South Africa don't
have a problem compared to the Black man in America. The Black man in
America was robbed completely of the knowledge of himself. The Indian had
to live on reservations, but he still knows he's an Indian. You know, the
South African have to carry passes, but they still know they're South
Africa,right? The Black man in America doesn't know his name. Our names
were taken from us. We don't know our language. We don't speak any
language. If you listen to the Italian's name, you know, he's an Italian
just by his name.
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W. X. Brock: You listen to the Jew's name, you know he's a Jew just by his
name. If you listen to the Japanese, the African, anybody, you know what
they are just by their name. You know a lot about their history. And that's
every other thing in creation. If you call a rock a rock, you know what a
rock is. You call water, you know, if you say that thing is water, you know
that it means that there's two units of hydrogen, to every unit of oxygen.
Right? It's a certain chemistry to that--that substance. But the Black man
in America, you call him anything because he don't know what he is and
nobody else. If he goes to Africa and my--my last name is Brock, right? Now
that's the name of an English slave trader or a German, which is it German
or English? K. Brock: Probably German. W. X. Brock: Okay. A German slave
trader, right. Because, so if I go back to Africa where they say I came
from and I say, I want to find my people, where's the Brocks at? There
ain't no Brocks over here, sir. Then if I go over to Germany and say, all
right, I'm looking for the Brocks, he'll come, this great big German man,
right? He's not my--he's not my people. But now here's the one who was so
far down in the gutter. But Islam came and resolved my problem. So you know
that anybody else's problem would be pittance to resolve The Black
community in America can can resolve because of its knowledge of wickedness
and evil, we have been at the brunt of wrong.
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W. X. Brock: No other people in time have experienced the kind of wrong
that Black people have experienced. See, Noah's people, they did a little
wrong and lots of time you read about Sodom and Gomorrah, they--men were
going with men and women were going with women and everything. But that
wasn't nothing. We have a devil mind today that's a scientific devil. A
computerized devil, right? This mind perpetrating an evil, right. Evil is
so far ingrained. It's so sophisticated until it's unbelievable. All right,
but if something can come to the worst victims of that evil and bring them
and put them on top, bring them and take them out of that situation, then
the world should look to the Black community in America for an answer to
their problems. But that's not saying that the Black community should be
looking at themselves as being superior because the Black community is just
as much wrong as everybody else. But God said in Scripture that he would
come to the ones that was most rejected and most despised, who was most in
need of his truth. God would--if the Jews had the right religion, why would
God come to the Jews in the last days? He say, God always come to the one
that's most in need of His promise, of his solution. Right? See, so what we
say is we're offering an alternative culture to the whole world community.
For 40 years, we went about proving that Islam could resolve the problems
of the worst people and the worst victims of society.
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K. Brock: Of the Black community?
W. X. Brock: That's right.
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K. Brock: Is it been active in America for 40 years?
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W. X. Brock: 44--46 years, 1930.
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K. Brock: Was it started by Muhammad? The one you--
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W. X. Brock: The Master Wallace Fard Muhammad. He was an Arab--an eastern
world Caucasian flesh. He came and he taught the Honorable Elijah Muhammad,
Islam.
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K. Brock: That's what I meant, that one. W. X. Brock: Right. K. Brock: How
long has he--
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W. X. Brock: And Elijah Muhammad taught for 44 years. K. Brock: He's
been-- W. X. Brock: In America. It started from nothing. That's should, to
me, that--that's enough to make anybody think, because all of them he was
in the midst of a government that was so powerful. He stood up and called
that government devils. Right. And took the worst, worst members of that
that community and and turn them around against when-- and you read about
CIA wiretaps and FBI wiretaps and infiltration and dirty tricks. Right. All
the time. Now, against all those odds, one man with nothing, no weapons,
you know, no nothing, you know, right? He came up and built a government
within a government. A society within a society. That's that's enough to
make you think, if you think.
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K. Brock: Okay, now this this has been the Nation of Islam and it was
called the Black Muslim. It goes now by--
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W. X. Brock: The first name does. The press named us Black Muslims. He
just called us Muslim. Muslim means a righteous person, right? That word
Muslim means a righteous--and the word Islam means peace or entire
submission to the will of God. Okay? All right now, you can't be if you
going to call us a Black Muslim, that means that we're just that's like--
K. Brock: Black representative [???]. W. X. Brock: Yeah. No, we they--the
press called us that. But the Messenger wisely, Elijah Muhammad, wisely
accepted that term to, to, to to so sort of politically move and unite the
Black community. In other words, they call it the Black Muslims with the
racist term in mind. But Muhammad he said--he said, I'm going to take this
same tool that you used against us, racism and destroy you with it. And he
built a government on that same tool of racism. He was a wise man. K.
Brock: [unintelligible]. W. X. Brock: But now the word Muslim, you can't
say Black Muslim and be--a Muslim is a Muslim. K. Brock: Well, the-- W. X.
Brock: Everything submits to the will of God.
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K. Brock: The followers of Islam-- W. X. Brock: Yeah. K. Brock: In
wherever. They go to Mecca and tell them where it is after--
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W. X. Brock: No, that's Arabia. Saudi Arabia, Mecca. We go to the Mecca,
we will go. We make hajj. That's the fifth pillar of Islam. The religion of
Islam is founded on five pillars. The first pillar is belief, the one--the
belief in the oneness of God, the unity of God. We don't believe in any
trinity. No equality. Jesus wasn't equal to God. Neither was anybody else.
He believed God, the oneness of God. Okay, then we believe in prayer. We
pray five times a day. Okay. If it's possible. Now, in circumstances like
this, I look foolish up here trying to pray when I'm in the office. But the
ants pray, flies pray, rocks pray when they submit--the earth prays when it
submits to the will of God. So prayer is not necessarily the physical act
of standing on a rug somewhere and facing the east and placing your hands
in a certain manner and making prayer or getting on your knees. But prayer
is when you submit to the will of God, you see. So we pray continuously,
but the physical act of prayer is prescribed five times a day at minimum,
if you can. Okay. All right, then when you go past prayer, you move into
charity. Okay.
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W. X. Brock: We believe in giving to the poor. You must share your wealth.
It doesn't make any sense that your intellectual wealth, your time, your
labor, you know what I mean? Your money, everything. You have to share it.
In fact, the holy Quran prescribed that we should take care of the orphans.
If you if a man makes money and he after he takes care of the needs of his
own family, the first thing he can do to move towards God is move towards
his fellow man. Right. So charity and fasting, sacrificing food and
physical material things. Right. This brings you closer to God, too. Then
the fifth pillar is hajj or the pilgrimage. Fasting is called...excuse
me--zakat--no, zakat is charity. Okay. And salaat is prayer. And the term
for for fasting in Arabic, I don't know. But the term for the pilgrimage or
the trip to Mecca is is hajj. And everyone who goes to Mecca is entitled to
the name that Malcolm had. Malcolm X, when he came back, he was called
el-Hajj Malik el-Shabazz. Right. El-hajj means he made pilgrimage. Malik is
an Arabic term that means the master and Shabazz is the tribe, the Arabic
tribe that Black people were brought here.
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K. Brock: And his wife also accepted the name Shabazz, right? W. X. Brock:
Yes. K. Brock: Is that because that became his name after having made that
trip? W. X. Brock: Yes. K. Brock: Okay. Where does the "X" come from in the
name?
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W. X. Brock: X was given to us by the Honorable Master Elijah Muhammad.
It's no longer given to the followers at this time, but at that time, it
was given to us because we recognized that our real names were unknown.
Right? And X--excuse me--and an X in the in the in any mathematical
equation is always representative of the unknown quantity. Right? So he he
gave us the X because we said, well, the first name our parents gave to us,
William, right? Or John or Jack. But the Brock was the name that was
imposed upon us by the slave master at that time. So we put William X
period. That meant that we I'm saying my first name is William and I don't
know what my last name is and that's the end of it. But now, for those of
you who don't know me by who is X or whatever, but you can identify me by
Brock, I'll put I'll leave the Brock on the end of this. Right. So it was,
it became William X Brock, but that was only a temporary, you know, until I
was able to grow and develop into some kind of a character. X is also as it
shows, it used to be. In other words, if while I was in the name of Brock,
I was a fool. I'm an ex-fool now. If I was a dope addict or a drunk, I'm an
ex-dope addict or a drunk now you see. So the X was placed in there for
that reason.
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W. X. Brock: But now if I can grow and become a person who's known to be
beneficent, then they would change my name to Rockman. Okay? Or if they if
I was one who who displayed the attributes of mercy and compassion, you
could call me Raheem. Or if I was one who was worthy of praise, you would
call me Muhammad. Okay. These are the names of the attributes of God. I
think we explained it. I don't know if I mentioned it before or not, but
the attributes of God, there are 99. Okay? Jesus. That's an attribute of
God. That means just. Jehovah, that's an attribute of God. That means God
is present or God is with us. All right. Omnipresent, they call it. Farrah,
that's one opens doors and no man can close and closes doors and no man can
open. Salawudeen, that's a warrior, right? Okay. Um, you could go on down
the line naming attributes of God and all of those attributes. There are 99
of them, come out to be Allah or the 99 attributes all in one, Allah. All
right. That's why we call God. We say there is no God but Allah. And
that's--that's the all of the attributes, you see. Okay. So if we can wear
one of the attributes of God or even the name of God per se, if we display
all of the attributes in our one singular character, okay, then we would
where then there are some who where the name Allah. Okay, so.
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K. Brock: Then would you change that--
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W. X. Brock: In due time I will. I'll change my name to an Arabic name to
and--
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K. Brock: Then it will no longer be Brock and you wouldn't be known in the
United States as--
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W. X. Brock: Just like Muhammad Ali was once Cassius Clay, he is now, and
he had a hard time getting the society to accept the name that he that he
that he want [????] the power of self-determination. I have that power. I
will--I will determine what I am myself. And anyone who interrelates with
me will accept that or reject it. And I'll take whatever consequences come.
I may lose my job. I may do whatever to to take the power of
self-determination. But whenever I decide that I know what I am, okay. Or
whenever W.D. Muhammad, the chief minister of the Nation of Islam, and look
at me and say, well, now this is what I think you are. I will accept that
name. And then that's what'll be my name.
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K. Brock: Okay. So you will change then. W. X. Brock: Yes. K. Brock: Okay.
But I guess that pretty much covers [??] then. I had down here the goals
and the ideas. And because I'm not sure we got it on the tape, we had
talked about integration and you said you weren't for integration as its
specifically promoted right at the moment. W. X. Brock: That's right. No,
no, no, I'm not. K. Brock: Can you...expand on that a little bit.
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W. X. Brock: No, okay. I'm not for integration in the sense that people
are just put together to make a client characteristics sheet look good for
the federal government. In other words, you have to have so many Blacks and
so many Whites, so many females and so many males in each program so that
you can get so much money, right. No matter how what kind of minds they
have, you have to have this kind of flesh picture. All right. Or for the
purpose. You know, we open the doors of this restaurant so you can know
that what Blacks are allowed to come in this restaurant too. A Black face
can go on this television show, so you have equality now, Mr. Nigger,
right? No, I'm not for that. Okay. But I'm for the total--
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K. Brock: And when you say you're not, is that also the Nation of Islam?
W. X. Brock: Right. K. Brock: Excuse me for interrupting, but I want to
clarify it. Okay. Now go on.
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W. X. Brock: Right. That's right. And that's the way it is. But we are
also against the idea of--of--of discrimination just on--on--on race, too.
Okay. In other words, in our temple, we have a White woman minister. Okay.
And she is, holds a position of high esteem in the Nation and locally, we
have White members. There are some that are integrated couples that are,
you know, married and both of them belong. In fact, our newspaper, the
Bilalian News, it used to be called Muhammad Speaks. We had an
inter--integrated couple on the street selling selling them not long ago.
It sort of was a turn to some of the Blacks who thought of the Nation of
Islam as being totally, you know, Black face. Here comes a White woman up
here selling you a newspaper.
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K. Brock: So was that total Black face only in America? W. X. Brock: Yeah.
Yeah. K. Brock: Okay, that's where, as far as that connection,because my
previous conceptions had been that it was not necessarily Black. Now, you
say you accept Whites here. Is the Nation of Islam that you are a member of
was--and it was organized 44 years ago--was that the original Nation of
Islam in America, or was there a White nation of Islam, so to speak? I
don't know how to--
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W. X. Brock: The Nation of Islam is a religion that has--up--all the
policy of Islam, the Nation of Islam has always been to not discriminate
because of color, except we--the lost found members of the Nation of Islam.
We were once lost in the Nation of Islam, and we've been found by the
Nation of Islam. But if you go to Mecca, to the hajj, you see Frenchmen,
you see giant Chinamen, you see Indians, you see Africans, you see Arabs,
you'll see it's like Jacob's coat of many colors, right? In fact, that's
what it meant. It didn't mean Jacob had a coat on a big fur coat [laughter]
had a coat, had a whole bunch of colors in it. Right. But the color, the
many colors of the many colors of complexion of people and the many
intellectual colors of people. Right? You have intellectual colors of
people. You have some people that are dark complected intellectually and
you have some that are light complected intellectually. Right. Spiritually,
right. So you have that in Mecca. When you go to Mecca, that's the reason
that there is a pilgrimage so that all of the people, no matter how rich
and how poor and no matter what station of life they come from, you can't
go in there with a fine suit on. Everyone wears the same color. Everyone
wears a robe, the same color robe. The rich and the poor come together,
making obeisance to the creator at an in the pilgrimage. Right. So it's not
discriminatory on color. Only in America was it done and it was done for a
reason in America.
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K. Brock: Okay. It was done in America, though, on a Black basis. W. X.
Brock: Yes. K. Brock: Okay. That's what I was saying.
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W. X. Brock: Although there always have been White Muslims in America.
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K. Brock: That's what I meant, had there, prior--
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W. X. Brock: You had them--
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K. Brock: Prior to the founding of Black quote-- W. X. Brock: Muslim K.
Brock: --Nation of Islam. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Had there been White?
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W. X. Brock: Yeah. Muslims. K. Brock: That were White. W. X. Brock: There
have been what we call Muslim sons and they were Masons. The Masonic
organization is known in--in scriptural language as Muslim science. You
read Proverbs, says my son do so and so and my son do. Without divulging or
without purposely divulging any Masonic secrets, they teach 33 degrees of
the religion of Islam. K. Brock: I see. W. X. Brock: Okay. They are the
Muslims. They are the upright ones, right? Although they say they've been
raised from a dead level to a rising perpendicular on a square, but they
only have 33 degrees. 33 degrees doesn't look upright to me, or at least
upright is 90 degrees. I show you that they had some knowledge of Islam,
not all knowledge. They had some knowledge. And those that knowledge they
had enabled them to rule over society. They're the judges. They're the
mayors. They're the doctors. The Masons are all--they rule society, right?
But now all truth, total illumination of the mind is coming about. It's
some darkness that exists in masonry. Even the most wise potentate of the
Masonic shrine, the Shriners. Right. These guys, they wear the same symbol.
You see us with the sun, moon and star, only they have it hanging upside
down with a sword on the upper part. You may have seen it. You look at the
Syria mosque sometime, you'll see it. They have a sword and then they have
a moon and a star underneath that sword. Right. That's an emblem. That's
the same emblem that the Muslims use only we don't have the sword on the
upper part. They have a--they have a piece of Islamic knowledge.
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W. X. Brock: All right. And--but they're in darkness--with--they don't
have total knowledge. They need anytime you have a piece of knowledge, you
don't have success. Right? Knowledge in the scriptural language is
represented by water. Right? If you take water to 33 degrees, you just do
get past the frozen point. Frozen means dead, right? So up until 32 degrees
a mason is nothing. Then he got to go across the water for his 33rd degree.
He had to go. He has to go across the water because he vows not to tell the
secrets that he learned in the Islamic ritual for the 33 degrees. If he
can't keep the secret, he has to jump in the water. That's why he takes his
33rd degree on the water. K. Brock: I see. W. X. Brock: And he learns
Islam. In fact, what they tell him, along with other things, is that there
is no God but Allah and you must submit to him. That's what's around the
Syria mosque. If you look at Arabic writing--have you ever been to the
Syria mosque in Oakland? K. Brock: I've been around it. W. X. Brock:
There's some Arabic writing around the top and it says over and over and
over again, there is no God but Allah. You must submit. There is no God but
Allah, right? This is a knowledge that they have known, but they didn't
give it to everybody else because they knew that if they. Knowledge is
power. And if they gave you all the knowledge that you couldn't, they
couldn't rule you anymore. See? So yeah, they have it. There've been
Muslims and Caucasian--
