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Karen Brock: Gotta wait a second. See, because it was running some white.
Okay. William X. Brock: Okay. K. Brock: Um, do you know how long ago the
NAACP started?
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W. X. Brock: You know, I don't know, but I think they're pretty old. I
think 60 years old or more, something like that. Maybe even longer.
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K. Brock: Were they more active in the South to begin with or in the North
or then again, do you know that even.
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W. X. Brock: That I don't know. That I, you know, I have to confess my
ignorance on the activities of the NAACP, because there was a time in my
growth and development that I consider the NAACP a Uncle Tom organization.
And I wasn't interested in the activities.
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K. Brock: Are they not still considered that? K. Brock: I mean, not only
by you, but-- W. X. Brock: They may be, right, right.
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W. X. Brock: Some some consider consider them that. But I think that every
group that has made efforts to to upgrade the lot of Blacks in America to
be given credit and we should look for the positive in every group. We
should look for the positive in Malcolm X, Marcus Garvey, Noble Drew Ali,
you know, Nat Turner, Sojourner Truth. We should look for the positive
everywhere.
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K. Brock: You know, I really had never heard of the NAACP myself until
about '60. Around here.
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W. X. Brock: Yeah well, they were--they were--they--they are and were a
positive force in the in the Black community. And each one has served a
purpose. And so I, you know, at the time, at one time, in fact, up until
recently, I wouldn't have given very much credit to the efforts of the
NAACP. But I see now that the efforts of every group, even those that
didn't gain a name, there's many groups that were throughout America that
never gained a name, never gained any fame in any community. There are some
that were just organized in a house and they did one little job, you know,
and that was it. You know, those people are just as important as every
other group as far as I'm concerned. But I think the NAACP deserves special
note for the work that they've done, because most of the ones who talk
about the NAACP in a negative sense, if they run into some kind of trouble,
they know they can turn to them in the NAACP for some assistance, you know,
so they always used the more conservative method of of litigation and
whatnot. I don't think I can recall the NAACP being out there burning
or--or looting, but who's to say that was the right way to do things? You
know, I mean, they have they have lawyers and they have educational
institutions and they have, uh, I just give them credit. But I didn't--I
don't know what they were all about because I didn't care to look into
them. Although now I intend to be more active in the NAACP and every every
other--women's groups and all groups, every group that's promoting
equality, I'm concerned about-- K. Brock: Which are?
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K. Brock: Are there any particular you can name which you want to be
active in?
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W. X. Brock: Well, that I know of--I know that this group, the National
Organization of Women, NOW, and all these other groups are doing what they
can. The United Fund, you know, uh, or doing things that that are positive
for human, you know, growth. So if--if a group is promoting that, although
I may not be able to be as active in those groups as I would like to be, if
I have a nickel or a dime here to help them out or a little time here, I
sure will. Because I'm concerned about human development as a whole.
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K. Brock: Do you know if CORE. Is it--it still active?
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W. X. Brock: I don't think CORE is still active. If they are, it's on such
a minimal scale until it's.
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K. Brock: [??] that pretty much a Southern group. Again, I guess I seem to
be reverting back to South. That's where I read about it. I was reading a
biography of Anne Moody. [unintelligible, speaking concurrently]
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W. X. Brock: Again, I was an isolationist up until not long ago. K. Brock:
Oh. W. X. Brock: I was strictly in the Temple of Islam. All I wanted to
propagate was the Nation of Islam.
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K. Brock: In relation to that, the organization of what, Afro-American
Unity, that was by Malcolm X--did he start that? And if so, it was my
opinion that that that [??] the Afro-American Unity Organization, that he
sort of was the founder of it. Um, did he start that while he was in the
Nation of Islam or after he left?
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W. X. Brock: He probably would have started that after he left. K. Brock:
You don't believe that-- [unintelligible, speaking concurrently]. W. X.
Brock: Yeah, he didn't start it while he was in the Temple of Islam.
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K. Brock: Now, am I correct? Did he want sort of a homeland for the Black
people, was that one of his objectives? And--
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W. X. Brock: I think that he was mimicking the teachings of the honorable
Master Elijah Muhammad, who at that time said that if if the White America
really wanted to give some justice to its to its once slave, so-called
Negroes, that that what it should do is not offer false integration, false
promises of integration and give false hopes that way. But to divide up
some of this land that we had sweat, sweated and blooded, and cried and and
everything on to help build and had had to be second class citizens in he
said we should--they should divide up this land and give us some and
Malcolm X propagated that when he was a minister in the temple of the
Nation of Islam, he mimicked the teachings of Master Elijah Muhammad very
well, and he was able to, in fact, eloquate them better. He could say it
better than the Messenger, he could say it himself. So that's what was
referred to. But the intent in a statement like that was not to necessarily
see that happen, but to show that show where the unjust--injustices really
were. See, our people at that time were so hung up on integration and they
thought that equality could be legislated. They thought equality would come
if A&P hired them. But Messenger Muhammad said that's not equality.
Equality would be if they give you some of this land. But he knew all along
they weren't going to give you any of this land. And in reality, we don't
want any of this land. We want the whole earth. And after just a little
piece of a little segment of a of a of a country somewhere that and then
put a name on it and that's it. No, we're not after tying ourselves off
into a community like the Jews did. That's not what we want to do.
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K. Brock: You want it to be--
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W. X. Brock: We want it to be-- K. Brock: --equal. W. X. Brock: --a
universal right. We want to be equal in the whole world community. K.
Brock: Right. W. X. Brock: Right.
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K. Brock: Right. See, I thought in some of the readings about him that
what he basically was after. As a matter of fact, one of the things I read
said that he had wanted the federal government maybe in the United
States--
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W. X. Brock: Yeah, to [?????] 13 states.
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K. Brock: Well, no, see I--I didn't read that. He wanted to give you the
money to send everybody over to Africa and set up a homeland there and give
you enough money for like 15 years that you could become and work as a
nation of your own and have your own. You know, the Black people have their
own...homeland.
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W. X. Brock: I think that was tried and has been tried, not in the Nation
of Islam, but it has been tried.
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K. Brock: That may have been under this organization of Afro-American
Unity.
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W. X. Brock: I think Marcus Garvey had an idea similar to that. The back
to--back to Africa movement. But, you know, that wasn't the solution to the
problem.
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K. Brock: But no, it wouldn't be really-- W. X. Brock: Right. K. Brock:
--because you need to be, as we just said, equal.
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W. X. Brock: Right. In the whole world community. Right. That's right.
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K. Brock: Yes. Are you familiar with the European Black-White
relationship?
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W. X. Brock: You know, I'm not. But I have heard many things probably as
others have heard it, you know, but I understand in some foreign
governments that they have grown above color consciousness, you know, and
that's an ideal situation. And I hope that they have.
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K. Brock: That's what I meant. I haven't heard definitely, you know, that
this was true in some of the countries there that it doesn't make any
difference.
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W. X. Brock: You know, I would hope so. I would hope that I would like to
see that happen in the world over, that people wouldn't be judged because
they're Yellow or they're Brown or they're Black or they're White, that I
only by-- what I think Martin Luther King said, not by the color of his
skin, but the content of their heart. That's the best statement I've heard
in a long time. I think that that's a that's that pretty well covers it.
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K. Brock: Yeah, it does. And that'll be a big step toward equality-- W. X.
Brock: Right. K. Brock:-- when you get to that. W. X. Brock: Yeah. K.
Brock: Okay. To talk about color consciousness, did your parents teach you
anything about color consciousness with what you said there about your
father? Did he come on with an attitude of, well, what did he come on
with?
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W. X. Brock: Well, my father. Yeah, yeah. My father did he--he--and it was
only an extension of what was being taught to him through the media and
through the you know, I remember I told you that I think words make people,
right? Words make a real person is a mind. And so if media was broadcasting
that everything white was good and everything bad was black, you had angel
food cake was white, and devil food cake was Black. Watch television. The
good guys wear the white hats and the bad guys wear the black hats. And so
all everything pretty is a White person and etcetera. So that inferiority
and superiority, that dualism in in society was embreaded into our
appearance very well. Right? So that image was taught to us, although the
natural thing first law of nature is self-preservation. So on one on one
side, they were proud that they were Black and glad to be Black. But on the
other sense, they were not so proud to be Black. They had sort of wished
they they were White and they envied and looked up to the White community,
you see. So where they may have tried to verbalize to us that the idea of
of being--being glad that you're Black and being a credit to your race,
quote unquote, and instead of that kind of thing came out in verbs, but
then in action and then undercurrent, undercurrent subconsciously, I would
think my mother and father, I know whenever I would bring White girls home
that, you know, because in my school I told you I went to school that was
mostly White.
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K. Brock: Was this just high school or was your grade school also mostly
White?
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W. X. Brock: No, our grade school was pretty much integrated at the time I
went, okay, but the high school was mostly White, okay? But, uh, and the
grade school was predominantly White. But there was a there were a greater
proportion of Blacks in grade school than we found in college, okay--I
mean, mean, in high school. All right. So whenever we bring White girls
home, it was a sort of a little pride. You know, it was sort of like, uh,
you you know, you're up there, so to speak. You know, that you're able to
get, you know. So for a while, I thought of it as a--as a good thing. And I
almost thought of it as novelty. And this is why I asked you the question,
what did you think about that relationship? And--and was it true that
there's a curiosity, so to speak, Because I know I was a victim of that
curiosity and I did what I could sometimes to just to to to get that
attention. And and there was at that time, it was a big curiosity on the
part of the girls. I don't know what's going on now, I don't know how it
is, because I haven't--not only would I not involve myself with a
Caucasian, but I wouldn't [laughs] involve myself with another Black girl.
I'm married, [laughs] so I don't know what, you know, what is how that
situation exists. I do know that in this job I'm in, I see passes made once
in a while, and I see, you know, little hints and stuff. So I you know, I
sort of wonder, is it just because I'm Black and do they want to know what
it's like? You know, but I don't know.
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W. X. Brock: Anyway, my parents sort of projected the image, you know,
that that if you got a White girl, you were doing all right. And the
teachers in school even were they had a reaction to that. I had a couple of
teachers sit me down and asked me to leave [??] alone because, you know, it
wasn't no good and etcetera, you know. So that's what that's what the kind
of image that my, you know, my parents, they would always point to whenever
they wanted to point you in the direction of of, of positive, they would
say, look at Dr.-- in fact I was named after a White man. It was--my name
is William Bryant. And my my father's boss's name was William Bryant, you
know, and my father, my mother, whenever they wanted to show me the example
of something that I should try to be like, they would point to this guy and
that guy in the White community and this guy and that guy in the White
community. So I rebelled against that, and that's when my militancy came to
the point where I just Caucasian flesh was repulsive to me. I just, you
know, I just forced myself to not even think in terms of of anything but
hate for Caucasian flesh. Then we grew a little bit beyond that. But I
think that was a necessary, necessary stage in the growth--in my own growth
and development.
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K. Brock: When you ask, asked me about that. And I said no, personally,
I'm sure, you know, looking back, I well, well I came out--like when I came
out of school and I came out really quite naive about lot of these
relationships even. And then and then two years after that, the Black-White
opened, you know, that's when it really started. [W. X. Brock laughs] And
really, I think for a good period of time, I think it's changing. I think
it's frowned upon, considerably. W. X. Brock: Yeah. K. Brock: You know that
a White girl seeing a Black man. It wasn't the Black man who was trying to
find the White girl. W. X. Brock: Right. Right. K. Brock: Where--
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W. X. Brock: They were both doomed in a sense because she was frowned upon
in her community and he was frowned upon in his community, you know?
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K. Brock: Right. I didn't know whether he was frowned upon in his
community. But by the--
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W. X. Brock: Well, openly, but undercurrent there was a little envy and
jealousy there, so, see.
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K. Brock: That's what I mean. And like you're saying, if your father or
your parents even would say you brought home a White girl, were you making
it because you've got a White girl. Uh, and some some other things you said
that seemed to have been an attitude among Blacks.
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W. X. Brock: Yes, but that was a that was--
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K. Brock: They worshipped Whites. W. X. Brock: Right. K. Brock: Whatever
they could achieve--
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W. X. Brock: Right, but they didn't let that be known openly, though.
Okay? I mean, in the community, if you come through with one, they say,oh
look at that Uncle Tom, but on the side in you know, inside, most of them
are thinking, man, I sure wish I had that. You know what I mean? Right. And
we used to have to sneak around. [laughs] I can remember sneaking in some
of these girls houses and have to roll down the hill in the back of the
house whenever the parents were coming in and everything run away. And
we're thinking about a relationship like that. This is a little off the
subject, but I can recall a time when we worked. My father used to hang
wallpaper whenever he was laid off fron work. He worked in the steel mill
and when he didn't have much seniority, you know, they'd get layoffs once
in a while. So we were [laughs] hanging wallpaper in the community. There
was a little White girl out and she was she had a rag and she was washing
my hand and washing my hand and, you know, and so finally she started
crying and she ran into the house. And I said, what's the matter? She said,
I can't get the dirt off of here. [laughter] They had never seen anybody
Black before, you know.
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K. Brock: Right. A completely new experience.
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W. X. Brock: A whole new experience. And I was surprised that there are
many people who are still in that situation. Even today. Even today, there
are.
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K. Brock: That have not seen Blacks, you mean?
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W. X. Brock: Well, I wouldn't think have not--I mean now that we have--we
have media to the extent that it is. I guess they've seen--what I'm talking
about at that time. I guess this had to be had to have been maybe--maybe
even 15 years ago because I was just a little small boy, you know, about 9
or 10 years old. And, uh, but now, you know, I guess the media, it projects
everybody equally. But at that time, you know, all you saw on television
was Cleopatra was White. You know, whenever they sold the Dodge Charger, it
was a pretty White girl with big titties, [laughs] you know? K. Brock:
Right. W. X. Brock: That was it, you know, and that's the only thing that
was that's the image of, uh, of, uh, beauty that was presented. You know,
Black people didn't get on television unless they were Amos and Andy. And
then most people thought of them like that was like a novelty that was like
in the zoo. You know what I mean? Even Blacks looked at that and laughed,
bust out laughing because Amos and their hair stood up on top of their
head. And, you know, and they they ran from they ran from their shadow.
They saw their shadow. Their eyes got big as quarters, you know, and they
ran from their that image, um, was something that, you know, was in
everybody's mind. And so when a Black person, when they saw an intelligible
Black person, not necessarily intelligent, but an intelligible person that
they could talk to and reason with, you know, they didn't equate that with
what they saw on television, I guess I don't know, because the image of
Black people on television was altogether different from what you know.
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K. Brock: Well, that's the one you see with the big bulging eyes. It's the
same with the little boy in Spank, you know that-- W. X. Brock: Right. K.
Brock--it's like whatever his name is. But yeah.
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W. X. Brock: Buckwheat.
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K. Brock: Buckwheat. My kids watch that now, you know, but I and I haven't
even watched it. But in reflecting back, that's what [unintelligible]. I
don't really remember seeing that much of anything like Amos and Andy on
television, although I know that it was you know, I remember the show, but
I would have thought I would have been thinking it was radio rather than
television.
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W. X. Brock: Right. Yeah, it was on there. And then also Rochester on on,
uh, Jack Benny, you know. K. Brock: The Jack Benny Show. W. X. Brock:
Right. That kind of all those, those images, they, they were produced in
the society, you know. But I guess it didn't occur that there was real
people that color. Most people thought probably that that was a White
person would just--in fact, it usually was a White person with some Black
paint on his face, you know-- K. Brock: Like the, um, minstrel. W. X.
Brock: Right. And that's just about what it came out to be.
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K. Brock: How about Black children at that time? Okay. When you said, for
example, a White child trying to wash the dirt off and couldn't get it off,
did Black children do the same thing when they saw a White person?
Curiosity-wise?
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W. X. Brock: Curiosity. And I think that in society now, it's a natural
curiosity. And I don't think that's possibly a negative all all the time
because unalike attracts and when unalike come together, there's always a
greater attraction than when like comes together. You know, this is you
know, this is my own personal philosophy. I don't think that, you know, I'm
not trying to put--credit these teachings through the Nation of Islam or
anything like that. But my own personal feeling is that a lot of times
people of opposite flesh have a greater attraction between the two of them
than people of like flesh sometimes, because if you take a magnet, you
know, the two ends of the the positive ends on that magnet, you try to put
them together. Sometimes you have a battle. You can't even hardly get them
together. But if you take the positive and the negative end, you know, and
put it together, there's always a great attraction. Right? So unlike is
always going to attract. I know whenever I got around White people at
first, and especially when I started dating White girls, the curiosity was,
was the the big thing, you know, the idea of being able to have a, I mean,
a--a White girl. And I would always go for the ones that I thought were,
you know, just beautiful, [laughs] you know what I mean? And to do that,
there was a there was an unlike involved there.
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W. X. Brock: And so there was a great, great attraction. In fact, I was
almost married to a White girl at a--at a time, you know, And this girl,
she--her father was in the in the mafia. And he told her, yeah, she was an
Italian. And she--he had told her many times that she better leave me
alone. And I understood there may even have been a contract out to get me,
you know, but the attraction was so great. I mean, we would, you know, we'd
come together and, you know, no matter what the circumstances were, you
know, and it was a real feeling there. But also the the initial thing
probably was the result of that image that had been placed in my mind that
everything beautiful is White, you see. So that relationship, that
particular relationship, and I had many of them, but that particular
relationship was the victim of my reassessment. Because, because--I mean of
my own self. I decided, well, we just can't do this. I'm going to sacrifice
the feelings I have for you because I don't see the Black-White
relationship as being any--having any positive potential. I was thinking at
the time, I say now here we are, hugging and kissing and squeezing in the
middle of the night, right?
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W. X. Brock: But, um. Ten years ago, like I said a little while ago in the
interview and you're right that I would have been hung. My father would
have had his penis cut off. Right. As a--as just for just looking at you,
you know? And so here I am now, going with you, forgetting about
everything, you know, and just going with you. That really don't make
sense, you see. So the relationship was--was--was--was that I had at that
particular time we had we eliminated it because of, you know, I mean it was
a victim of that that that of my reassessment. But I was I could say now,
honestly, that if I--if I weren't married and if, if, if, uh, I met a
person that had a mind like mine, you know what I mean? That I could. I
think that I could look beyond the color. I don't know if I could or not.
I'm trying to--I'm trying to go to the point. And if I tell you like this,
if I can't do it, I want to be able to do it. I want to be able to take a
person for a person. I want to be able to look at a person and say, say you
are not your flesh.
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W. X. Brock: You are not, you know, like two people. We always talk about
two people kissing. You're not really kissing when you kiss somebody. You
haven't kissed that person. Two bodies have touched, you know, but you
haven't even met the real person inside. That's what happens in most
marriages today. You know, they get married on a physical level, right? But
what you have are the big football stars marries a model. Right? But then
when they run into problems. They can't resolve them because bodies don't
solve problems. Mind solve problems. Right? So they're getting their hair
all--they got this big, 36-24-36 woman, you know, with long, pretty hair
and, you know, whatever beautiful to you in the way of eyes or whatever.
Okay. And then here you are, 6'2", fine specimen of manhood, physically,
you know, but then you can't get along. And you wonder, man, how could he
be getting ready to leave her? Fine as she is. And how could she leave? How
could she do him like that? As good, as good looking as he is. That's not
the problem is that they--two bodies got married, you know, instead of two
minds, you see. So I'm trying to reach the point where that I can, you
know, and I don't say I reach that, by no means, because I still have my
own hang ups, right?
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W. X. Brock: But I'm--I'm--I'm in spite of myself. I'm trying to grow
beyond that point where color consciousness rules me. Now, I don't ever
want to fall a victim to color. I don't ever want to be in a situation
where I was before, where color was a, let's say, Caucasian flesh could
misuse me. You know what I mean? I don't want to ever be back in that
point. I don't think that'll ever happened because I've got a stronger mind
now. Okay. But by the same token, I want to get--I want to grow beyond
judging things just on the--I don't want to judge anything by its--if
physical size was important--if physical size was important, elephants
would rule the world, right? Lions would rule because they're stronger than
men. In fact, water would probably rule the world. Water is a lot bigger, a
lot more water than there is men. Physical is not important. K. Brock:
[unintelligible]. W. X. Brock: That's right. But the man with his mind is
able to control water. He can contain water. Water weighs 62.2 pounds per
cubic foot, right? And sometimes in a typhoon with 500 miles an hour at.
And you might have millions of metric tons. You just imagine a truck at
that speed out of control. It'll run into this building and smash it.
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W. X. Brock: Right. And the truck only weighs a few tons and it's only
running 80 or 90 miles an hour. Water weighs a whole lot more, and it's
going a whole lot faster. But man with his intelligence is able to tell the
water, you can't go any further, water. I put a dam up to it. Then he can
get on top of the water and float around and move on it. You see, because
he has intelligence, you know, and the water, nothing else does. Everything
else in creation takes the course of least resistance. You know, that's
a--I don't know what that theory is in physics, but I know if you take
water and roll it down the hill, if there's if there's obstacles set up in
front of that water, it'll go around it. Or if it gets if it's too much of
an obstacle to just sit still, it won't go anywhere. But man, he has the
power to overcome obstacles and barriers and go on around. But I'm talking
about mind, not just physical man, you know? So that's what I'm trying to
grow and develop to. A mind where I can take my mind and evaluate and and
assess and then cooperate with your mind regardless of the flesh, you know
what I mean? And regardless of the sex.
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K. Brock: And work with the same goals.
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W. X. Brock: Right? And see, we look at society and creation in that way.
Then there won't be any discrimination. Sex discrimination, race
discrimination, religious discrimination. None of that will take place
because we'll look at men and women as as minds, right? Not a physical
protrusion here and protrusion there. That's only for the purpose of, you
know, procreating and moving society on down. Right? But there's no
difference in man and woman. See, the Christian religion has made that
women are less than men. Right? They got Eve. She was the first devil. She
tempted Adam in eating the forbidden fruit, right? K. Brock: Right. W. X.
Brock: [laughs] That's right. All the women. Wretched woman did this and
the wretched woman did that. They threw rocks at this woman and they threw
rocks at that woman all throughout the Bible, right? K. Brock: [??] a woman
[unintelligible]. W. X. Brock: That's right. That's right. Here, but man
was supposed to be the first creation from God. He's--he's supposed to be
had the direct order from God, right? And God made him first before he even
made the woman. So now that we're going to say that a woman, a physical
flesh woman, is a more powerful, had more influence on Adam than God did,
when God made Adam himself and woman didn't make Adam. See there's
something missing in that story. See what I'm saying? So what we say is
that we want to look at minds. Man minds and woman minds. You know what I
mean? It doesn't make any difference. In fact, the mind doesn't have a
gender. A mind is a spiritual thing, right? It's not--it's not the brain,
right? But a mind is--is you can't exactly define it. It's other than to
say that it's a it's a man. A man is mind, right? When we say man, we mean
man and woman, okay?
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W. X. Brock: Because. Right. It has the capacity to store information that
it would take a computer from here to no man's land to hold it. Right. And
then not only decides to store an information, it has some power of
reasoning. Through which your eyes, you can see 373,000 different colors.
This is all going on in the mind. Right? You can hear 63,000 different
tones. You can taste numerous things. You can smell things, you can feel
things, and you can do all these things simultaneously. But all of this is
done in the mind, you see. So if we waste this mind on physical things, we
get hung up in the physical world, we're lost. You take a person that all
they do is judge their life on physical things. They're in darkness. If you
take a look at the water, for example, they call it the deep blue sea. It
looks blue from way back. But if you take cups of water and keep digging in
there and pulling and pulling cups out, you never find a cup of blue water
anywhere. All the water is clear. So if you look at things strictly on a
physical level, you're in darkness, right? You have to have intelligence.
You have to be able to--you have to be able to reason with the mind. When
men were in the womb of just physical, when they heard thunder, it scared
them. Right? When they saw lightning, it scared them. But when they became
intelligent, they went out and harnessed that lightning and made lights.
Right? You know what I mean? K. Brock: Yeah. W. X. Brock: See, so we have
to begin. We have to grow to a mind. We have to grow to a point where we
can let the mind control everything you see. Yeah. K. Brock: Let me. W. X.
Brock: Go ahead. I'm sorry.
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K. Brock: Okay. No, that's good. I was looking [?????] minutes, so we got
some time. Okay, let's talk. Because now that you went through the mind,
I'm sure that's got something to do with the Nation of Islam and its
teachings. W. X. Brock: Yes. K. Brock: So let's go on into that. Some of
what you do about it, what you learned, what it represents, even.
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W. X. Brock: Right. What it represents to me is growth towards
completeness as a human being. Every human being has natural hungers and
natural tendencies. And these natural hungers, if not fed, man won't reach
his purpose that he was created for, as far as I'm concerned. Okay? Um. He
has a natural physical hunger. He wants to have fine clothes. He wants to
have money in his pocket. He wants to have a nice home. He wants to have
plenty food in his--in his belly. He wants to be physically full. Then man
grows to a point of emotional hunger. He desires love, right? He wants to
have compassion. He wants to be proud of things. And in fact, if he can't
get love, he'll turn on the TV set and watch somebody else make love
because of that hunger for love, Right? Then man also has a desire for
intellectual growth. He wants to be a doctor. He wants to be a a dentist.
He wants to be some kind of a scientist. He wants to be some political
leader. He in other words, he has a hunger to be great in the scientific
world, right? But these, if these three hungers aren't fed, if man only
feeds himself in the--in the spiritual, I mean, in the physical world, man
is incomplete. Man is nothing if all he has is physical wealth, material
wealth. And if all man has is emotional wealth, if all man has is the
friendship of other men, you know, man is not and--and--and--and moral
growth. Because in the emotional stage of growth, man becomes moral. He has
to have moral laws to govern him, because if he doesn't, he's going to
emotionally dissatisfy things. Right?
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W. X. Brock: While he's in his emotional stage of growth and development,
he has to be a moral being, a moral creature, right? To be loved by
somebody, you have to be right, you know? Okay. But if man is only right
and doesn't have a knowledge of why he's right and he's not intellectual,
he hasn't grown to his intellectual point, okay, of growth and development,
then he's still in darkness, so to speak. Because--because a--a--person
who's ruled by emotions, okay, is in big trouble. There are some girls who
give up all the promises that they made to their parents. They sacrificed
their education. They have sacrificed anything just to get some emotional
satisfaction. If he's just ruled totally by emotion, you take a little
child if he's emotional. Right? He'd been eating candy for a long time. You
tell that. Say, son, don't eat candy anymore right now because of candy is
no good for you. Well, now, if he's in the room of emotion, he'll pant and
rage and cry and get upset. You got to pamper him. You got to do what you
know, because he's he's in darkness. He don't have any knowledge. Right? So
man has to grow intellectually, but man, too much emotions is no good for
man. But too little emotions is no good for man either, right? Too much
physical growth is no good for a man and too much--and not enough physical
growth is no good for man. Right? So the man has to grow. He has to grow
physically, emotionally and intellectually so he can become a complete man.
He can become a whole man.
